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    Re: Senate committee passes health bill, first to act

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Some Gulf War vets don't even qualify for VA bennies, much less get treatment for sand box shock.
    Then expect more of the same if Democrats get their legislation passed and we are ALL subjected to the same care our Vets get.

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    Re: Senate committee passes health bill, first to act

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Can you actually write out a honest dissent using facts, evidence, credible sources?

    In regards to dragging this country into the 3rd world...you do realise that a lot of 3rd world nations have a better health care system than we have currently. The World Health Organization ranks us 37th - summary here
    LOLOL!!!! I love when an ignoramus cites the WHO report.

    You don't even know what's in the damn thing nor how they came up with those rankings and here you are repeating it because you heard some pro-Socialist kook reference it.

    Very simple question for you. Do you honestly think that people from all over the world come to this country to receive the 37th best health care in the world? Don't strain your brain too hard on that one.

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    Re: Senate committee passes health bill, first to act

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Can you actually write out a honest dissent using facts, evidence, credible sources?

    In regards to dragging this country into the 3rd world...you do realise that a lot of 3rd world nations have a better health care system than we have currently. The World Health Organization ranks us 37th - summary here
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/bu...ss&oref=slogin
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    Re: Senate committee passes health bill, first to act

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    In regards to dragging this country into the 3rd world...you do realise that a lot of 3rd world nations have a better health care system than we have currently. The World Health Organization ranks us 37th - summary here
    You do realize it is a biased report.



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    So Vets are finally going to be treated for Gulf War Syndrome?
    They can't get treatment now?
    They can't even get the government to admit the syndrome exists, because then the government would be liable to treat them, which would be costly.

    Between battlefield chemical hazards and experimental anthrax inoculations, the symptoms pile up. Civilian doctors can't get the medical histories because they have been classified.
    Lets be honest here.
    There are vets who are treated for the symptoms they have, regardless if the syndrome exists or not.
    Just because the syndrome hasn't been accepted doesn't mean the VA does not treat, or try to treat those eligible, for the symptoms they have.


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    And just for some humor.


    Apparently the American Medical Association has weighed in on the new Health Care Initiatives from the Obama Administration....

    The Allergists voted to scratch it, but the Dermatologists advised not to make any rash moves.

    The Gastroenterologists had sort of a gut feeling about it, but the Neurologists thought the Administration had a lot of nerve.

    The Obstetricians felt they were all laboring under a misconception. Ophthalmologists considered the idea shortsighted.

    Pathologists yelled, "Over my dead body!" while the Pediatricians said, 'Oh, Grow up!'

    Oncologists fear it's malignant, while Osteopaths see it as holistic..

    The Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, while the Radiologists could see right through it.

    Surgeons decided to wash their hands of the whole thing.

    The Internists thought it was a bitter pill to swallow, and the Plastic Surgeons said, "This puts a whole new face on the matter."

    The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the Urologists were pissed off at the whole idea.

    The Anesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas, and the Cardiologists didn't have the heart to say no.

    In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up to the a**holes in Washington .

    And that's why, according to the sex therapists, we're all gonna get screwed!

    Doctors speak out about health care proposal.... - Topic Powered by Eve For Enterprise
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    Re: Senate committee passes health bill, first to act

    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    LOLOL!!!! I love when an ignoramus cites the WHO report.

    You don't even know what's in the damn thing nor how they came up with those rankings and here you are repeating it because you heard some pro-Socialist kook reference it.

    Very simple question for you. Do you honestly think that people from all over the world come to this country to receive the 37th best health care in the world? Don't strain your brain too hard on that one.
    Then ignore the WHO....

    France best, US worst in preventable death ranking

    France, Japan and Australia rated best and the United States worst in new rankings focusing on preventable deaths due to treatable conditions in 19 leading industrialized nations, researchers said on Tuesday.

    If the U.S. health care system performed as well as those of those top three countries, there would be 101,000 fewer deaths in the United States per year, according to researchers writing in the journal Health Affairs.

    They called such deaths an important way to gauge the performance of a country's health care system.

    18,000 deaths blamed on lack of insurance

    2002, USA Today report on Institute of Medicine of the National Academies
    More than 18,000 adults in the USA die each year because they are uninsured and can't get proper health care, researchers report in a landmark study released Tuesday.

    The 193-page report, "Care Without Coverage: Too Little, Too Late," examines the plight of 30 million — one in seven — working-age Americans whose employers don't provide insurance and who don't qualify for government medical care.
    I guess you can also ignore the OECD's 2009 report on our costs? We pay 16% with 75 million under and uninsured, where next in line is France at 11% with full coverage. So we pay more, receive less, have more deaths, wow, that is one hell of a system you want to crop up.

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    Re: Senate committee passes health bill, first to act

    I remember reading awhile back that some of the discrepancies (if I remember correctly, in mortality rates) can be accounted for because of our diverse racial make-up.


    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Then ignore the WHO....

    France best, US worst in preventable death ranking



    18,000 deaths blamed on lack of insurance

    2002, USA Today report on Institute of Medicine of the National Academies


    I guess you can also ignore the OECD's 2009 report on our costs? We pay 16% with 75 million under and uninsured, where next in line is France at 11% with full coverage. So we pay more, receive less, have more deaths, wow, that is one hell of a system you want to crop up.
    There are many factors to consider when making an evaluation, most of these reports do not bother to consider them, and because they do not, end up with biased results.

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    Re: Senate committee passes health bill, first to act

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy
    There are many factors to consider when making an evaluation, most of these reports do not bother to consider them, and because they do not, end up with biased results.
    So, is your rebuttal to all studies comparing health care around the world is that it's just too complicated?

    While I agree that sometimes you can get into comparing the proverbial apples to oranges and of course you can spin just about any statistic to make it fit into whatever you want it to fit.

    However, if you take all the apples and oranges (and pears and bananas and kiwis and Apricots), toss out the high and the low, disregard Cuba and Mexico, how do you justify the United States spending way more in not only total dollars, but in percentages of just about any measure you can imagine, than every other industrialized country in the world and still not cover everyone and only have comparable health care.


    In 2008, the United States will spend 17 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) on health care.

    Health care spending accounted for 10.9 percent of the GDP in Switzerland, 10.7 percent in Germany, 9.7 percent in Canada and 9.5 percent in France while covering ALL of their population.



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    Re: Senate committee passes health bill, first to act

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    So, is your rebuttal to all studies comparing health care around the world is that it's just too complicated?
    Please, don't put words into my mouth.
    It is pretty clear what I said.



    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    ... how do you justify the United States spending way more in not only total dollars, but in percentages of just about any measure you can imagine, than every other industrialized country in the world and still not cover everyone and only have comparable health care.
    Justify?

    The 'Health Care' in the U.S., is at the top of (if not the best), treatment in the world and is only slightly comparable with other industrialized nations, being that our treatment is better.
    Nor should we lower our standards of care to cover everyone.

    As for actual costs.
    Yes they could be lowered by implementing what the CATO Institute suggested in 1994.

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    Re: Senate committee passes health bill, first to act

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    Please, don't put words into my mouth.
    It is pretty clear what I said.



    Justify?

    The 'Health Care' in the U.S., is at the top of (if not the best), treatment in the world and is only slightly comparable with other industrialized nations, being that our treatment is better.
    Nor should we lower our standards of care to cover everyone.

    As for actual costs.
    Yes they could be lowered by implementing what the CATO Institute suggested in 1994.
    And that is a misnomer and lie propagated by the right. Thanks for continuing the lies.
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: Senate committee passes health bill, first to act

    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    LOLOL!!!! I love when an ignoramus cites the WHO report.

    You don't even know what's in the damn thing nor how they came up with those rankings and here you are repeating it because you heard some pro-Socialist kook reference it.

    Very simple question for you. Do you honestly think that people from all over the world come to this country to receive the 37th best health care in the world? Don't strain your brain too hard on that one.

    If we have the best health care system in the world, why isn't the rest of the world ditching their systems and trying to emulate us?

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