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House bill would make health care a right

I'm saying that when people write something AT SOME TIME, doesn't reflect who they are when they die.

Again I submit myself, I have written letters and people would say I am a catholic, but if I were to die tomorrow, they would never know I ma an agnostic.

Are you saying that written letters say who a person is their entire life?

Sorry, but a letter reflects who they were at the time they wrote the letter only.

It doesn't reflect their beliefs at death for certain. Things change.

No, I'm trying to say that you can't just blow off written works.
 
No, I'm trying to say that you can't just blow off written works.

So you are saying that what a person writes is the same way he is feeling at death? Can you say that?

Yet again, if people to read my written works I would be a catholic, that doesn't mean that is what I am now an agnostic.

Written, doesn't mean what they actually were.
 
So you are ok with kids starving that is good to now.



I love when people ask me this question, It is the main reason why I don't submit my name for an award recognition at this site, because I love how many people automatically assume because I am a liberal and haven't done anything for my country.

I am retired army, served a total of 20 years 7 months.

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Who reached you and made you a traitor, which is what Democrats and liberals are?
 
Who reached you and made you a traitor, which is what Democrats and liberals are?

Calling me a traitor, a personal attack which is against forum rules, shows that you are losing the debate.
 
It's amazing that people try to make themselves experts on only letters written from people in the past.

Take it up with your buddy Will. He was the one posting things out of context.

My only purpose in posting the whole of Jefferson's letter (if it is the whole), was to provide enough context to show that Will was using a standard deceit tactic.
 
Take it up with your buddy Will. He was the one posting things out of context.

My only purpose in posting the whole of Jefferson's letter (if it is the whole), was to provide enough context to show that Will was using a standard deceit tactic.

You already lost the debate in calling me a traitor, I am retired Army and have served my country quite well even during times I have not agreed with it's decisions, I will not respond to your comments until you have apologized for your obscene comments.
 
Calling me a traitor, a personal attack which is against forum rules, shows that you are losing the debate.

No.

You invited me to ask another question.

You didn't specify topic.

Now. We all know that stealing money from people and forcing them to pay for their health car isn't any form of a right the Founders of this country would find acceptable. They had doctors in the 18th Century, and they had doctor bills in the 18th Century, and they had people that couldn't pay doctors in the 18th Century, and their solution to the health care crisis they faced was to ignore it completely and write the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to cover that and any other silly issues the people might ignorantly think the federal government should attend to.

How about addressing that basic essential fact of American history?
 
No.

You invited me to ask another question.

You didn't specify topic.

Now. We all know that stealing money from people and forcing them to pay for their health car isn't any form of a right the Founders of this country would find acceptable. They had doctors in the 18th Century, and they had doctor bills in the 18th Century, and they had people that couldn't pay doctors in the 18th Century, and their solution to the health care crisis they faced was to ignore it completely and write the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to cover that and any other silly issues the people might ignorantly think the federal government should attend to.

How about addressing that basic essential fact of American history?

You'll have to show me where I agreed with that in the first place.

I didn't agree with the patriot act, which most of you did.

I didn't agree with Bush and his bailouts.

I didn't agree with Obama and his bailouts.

So please explain to me what I agreed with again? You got caught in your partisan ****head tactics and can't admit when you are wrong is what has happened.

Why can't you admit you were partisan and admit you were wrong about me?
 
So you are saying that what a person writes is the same way he is feeling at death? Can you say that?

Yet again, if people to read my written works I would be a catholic, that doesn't mean that is what I am now an agnostic.

Written, doesn't mean what they actually were.

No, not necessarily, but what Jefferson wrote was about what he meant during those formative periods.
 
No, not necessarily, but what Jefferson wrote was about what he meant during those formative periods.

I wrote things that could consider me "catholic" to my parents, yet I was agnostic by all means.

You can interpret all you want, but that doesn't mean they thought what they did in reality.

Back then, there wasn't much to go by other than their writings. I can understand that.

But interpretation doesn't mean fact.
 
I wrote things that could consider me "catholic" to my parents, yet I was agnostic by all means.

You can interpret all you want, but that doesn't mean they thought what they did in reality.

Back then, there wasn't much to go by other than their writings. I can understand that.

But interpretation doesn't mean fact.

It's not interpretation. Jefferson's writings are VERY explicit.
 
It's not interpretation. Jefferson's writings are VERY explicit.

According to YOU.

Can you show me your credentials in writing literature?

Oh wait, you're an internet enthusiast, I'm sure you are an expert right?
 
According to YOU.

Can you show me your credentials in writing literature?

Oh wait, you're an internet enthusiast, I'm sure you are an expert right?

This is what you call an ad hominem attack. It is a logical fallacy.

If you can't figure out what Jefferson believes, you must have some kind of learning disability (or you only read at a 3rd grade level). I mean that in all seriousness.
 
If you can't figure out what Jefferson believes, you must have some kind of learning disability (or you only read at a 3rd grade level). I mean that in all seriousness.

You claim logical fallacy against me, but that first means that you know for SURE what Jefferson believes. I wasn't aware you knew Jefferson personally so how can you say FOR SURE what he believes or doesn't believe in?
 
You claim logical fallacy against me, but that first means that you know for SURE what Jefferson believes. I wasn't aware you knew Jefferson personally so how can you say FOR SURE what he believes or doesn't believe in?

"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. " - Thomas Jefferson

Are you done now?

Btw, I haven't seen you in a while in this thread.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/51880-higher-minimum-wage-coming-soon-21.html

Surely you'd like to venture a response to post #203?
 
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"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. " - Thomas Jefferson

Are you done now?

Btw, I haven't seen you in a while in this thread.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/51880-higher-minimum-wage-coming-soon-21.html

Surely you'd like to venture a response to post #203?

And would Jefferson had said the same thing while seeing children dying from hunger or lack of health care in the richest country in the world? If you say yes, then you think he's a ****ing bastard.
 
And would Jefferson had said the same thing while seeing children dying from hunger or lack of health care in the richest country in the world? If you say yes, then you think he's a ****ing bastard.

I wonder what Jefferson would think if I showed him the obesity rates for Americans, or told him that millions of people make a conscious decision not to purchase health insurance, or if I told him we subsidized health care for illegal immigrants?

Jefferson would probably tell Americans to stop living such ****ty and irresponsible lifestyles and to stop expecting the massive centralized authority (we all know how much Jefferson loved those) to provide health care for them.

You see, unlike Barack Obama, Thomas Jefferson was a principled bastard who told people how it really was. Thomas Jefferson would laugh at the idea of nationalized health care and he would spit on Barack Obama.

Of course, being the quintessential anti-Federalist, Jefferson seems like a natural supporter for nationalized health care. You make great points!
 
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Thomas Jefferson would laugh at the idea of nationalized health care and he would spit on Barack Obama.

I don't think you are qualified to dictate who Thomas Jefferson would spit on.
 
And would Jefferson had said the same thing while seeing children dying from hunger or lack of health care in the richest country in the world? If you say yes, then you think he's a ****ing bastard.

You gotta be ****ing kidding me. :rofl

Where is this happening, please I'd like to know?
 
So you are ok with kids starving that is good to now.



I love when people ask me this question, It is the main reason why I don't submit my name for an award recognition at this site, because I love how many people automatically assume because I am a liberal and haven't done anything for my country.

I am retired army, served a total of 20 years 7 months.

Next Question?
Good, then give away your ****ing retirement pay to the children!
 
Don't Tase Me Bro;1058137211 they are going to **** our entire health care system said:
Our health care is already ****ed up. The leading cause of bankrupcy in America is an unexpected health bill, and most of these people had health insurance.

Answer this: Does the son of the CEO of Walmart deserve better health care than the son of a single mom working double shifts at McDonalds?

You think about that.
 
Don't Tase Me Bro;1058137211 they are going to **** our entire health care system said:
Our health care is already ****ed up. The leading cause of bankrupcy in America is an unexpected health bill, and most of these people had health insurance.

Answer this: Does the son of the CEO of Walmart deserve better health care than the son of a single mom working double shifts at McDonalds?

You think about that.

I have a relative who went bankrupt because of an "unexpected" health bill. He was self employed, with pre-existing health problems that made him all but uninsurable; any policy he might have gotten would have cost way more than he could afford.

Then he had a stroke. The good news is that he survived, albeit with some disabilities. The bad news is that his medical expenses bankrupted him.
 
Oooh Jefferson, I love Jefferson:




and this, one of my favorites




You are so full of fail.... it's pathetic...


The first object of human association [is] the full improvement of
their condition." --Thomas Jefferson: Virginia Protest, 1825.

-says not that the government is the answer, he was speaking of individuals.



"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to
secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general
mass of those associated under it." --Thomas Jefferson to M. van
der Kemp, 1812.

- Show that this happiness is by infringing on liberty and the individual. show once that he was speaking as government being the answer.



"It will be said that great societies cannot exist without
government." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia, 1782.


-No ****, we did not establish an anarchy



"This I hope will be the age of experiments in government, and
that their basis will be founded in principles of honesty, not of
mere force." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1796.

-That "experiment" is that of liberty, the opposite of a soft tyrrany....


"We exist, and are quoted, as standing proofs that a government,
so modeled as to rest continually on the will of the whole
society, is a practicable government." --Thomas Jefferson to
Richard Rush, 1820.



-Again so full of fail its rediculous. his view of "practical government" was government that "governs the least"


"The best government is that which governs least." -hdt



and this, one of my favorites

Quote:
"The greatest good we can do our country is to heal its party
divisions and make them one people." --Thomas Jefferson to John
Dickinson, 1801.



That's funny coming from a one sided "true believer" lefty such as yourself. :lol:
 
It's amazing that people try to make themselves experts on only letters written from people in the past.

By that regard if people were to have read every letter in the past from me to others, they would come to the conclusion I am a catholic. However, since I am an agnostic and haven't written many letters since then that would be false conclusion.

Amazing how people can consider themselves experts on what people have written without knowing the person.





It's even more amazing when people speculate on what people of the past didn't say, as if its more of an authority than what they did say... :lol:
 
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