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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    You are correct. Why? Because the American people made it clear they expect health care reform, and if they don't get it by 2010 there will be hell to pay.
    You are partially correct. 46% of American favor health reform.

    On the other hand, 49% oppose it according to the latest Rasmussen Poll.

    That makes you mostly wrong.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Yeah I know the conservatives here will just blow this off, but what the heck...

    The reason the WH is pushing for a bill is they are trying to NOT repeat the mistakes of 1993. Just ponder for a moment; $1.4 million a day is being spent right now on lobbyists seeking to derail reform.

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    Familiar Players in Health Bill Lobbying



    Now does anyone think that they have OUR interests in mind, or their own corporate interests?
    The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    Just because a lobbyist doesn't support something doesn't mean they are wrong.


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    FYI:
    Poll: Most Back Public Health Care Option


    NBC News/Wall Street Journal Survey (PDF)
    76% said it was "Extremely" or "Quite" important to give a choice of BOTH a public plan administered by the federal government, and a private plan for their health insurance

    Bloomberg News
    Most Americans Support Public Health Care Option, Poll Finds
    Americans are clueless plebeians.

    This poll confirms that.
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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    I support healthcare reform, but I don't support the government digging in my pocket so much to pay for it.
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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Yeah I know the conservatives here will just blow this off, but what the heck...

    What benefit do you think constantly preambling this crap serves?


    The reason the WH is pushing for a bill is they are trying to NOT repeat the mistakes of 1993. Just ponder for a moment; $1.4 million a day is being spent right now on lobbyists seeking to derail reform.

    Washington Post

    Familiar Players in Health Bill Lobbying



    Now does anyone think that they have OUR interests in mind, or their own corporate interests?

    FYI:
    Poll: Most Back Public Health Care Option


    NBC News/Wall Street Journal Survey (PDF)
    76% said it was "Extremely" or "Quite" important to give a choice of BOTH a public plan administered by the federal government, and a private plan for their health insurance

    Bloomberg News
    Most Americans Support Public Health Care Option, Poll Finds



    And you think the government has YOUR best interest in mind? so what if 1.4 million is being spent by lobbyist. Its better than the trillions of our tax dollars being spent on a giant VA hospial for all.
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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    There was no understanding of medicine in 1776. I assume you are joking.
    But there was an understanding of rights.

    Health care ain't a right.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    TARP was "rammed" through by the Bush administration. I don't think it's premature to pass a bill of intent regarding health care, even if the details need to be filled in later. Republicans simply don't want health care because they get campaign funding from the pharmaceutical and insurance industries. It's that simple. Most Americans want health care, and that is who Congress is supposed to represent.
    The Congress is supposed to obey the Constitution, and the Constitution says...no, health care isn't a service provided by the federal government.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    What does the "right to healthcare" even mean?
    It means "replace doctors and nurses with DMV employees, tax the living crap out of everyone, and then ration everything."

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It means "replace doctors and nurses with DMV employees, tax the living crap out of everyone, and then ration everything."
    The bill changes the educational and experience requirements (MD, Nursing degree, etc.) individuals have to meet before they can practice medicine?

    I see this bill changing how doctors are paid and what doctors a person utilizing government health care can choose. I haven't seen how this bill lowers the quality of education doctors receive at various colleges, or the devotion a doctor gives towards their practice.

    Don't get me wrong. I don't agree with with the payment or the choosing restrictions. I just don't see how the quality of work performed by doctors would lower. Unless of course the government instituted their own subpar certification program and removed the college educational requirement that doctors must obtain now.
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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    The bill changes the educational and experience requirements (MD, Nursing degree, etc.) individuals have to meet before they can practice medicine?
    It should considering our training of doctors is antiquated.

    It should also remove the ability of licensing boards to limit the number of doctors.
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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You are partially correct. 46% of American favor health reform.

    On the other hand, 49% oppose it according to the latest Rasmussen Poll.

    That makes you mostly wrong.
    I have heard from several sources that over 72% of Americans favor health care reform

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