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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Rasmussen's question asked if people supported a "government run health care company". That is not what is being proposed, and Rasmussen is dishonest.

    Then what is being proposed?

    A non governmental health care company? Then why is the government controlling it?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Why would anyone support a system where you only get the best health care if you are wealthy?
    No one is proposing that, it doesn't exist.

    You seriously need to visit a doctor or health care professional and see how wrong you are.
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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    Previously, I argued that they lived hundreds of years ago and could not know what we know today. Who knows what they would conclude if they had all of our history to look back upon.

    But quite frankly it is irrelevant. The purpose of debate is logical argumentation, not what founding father said what.



    This would explain your stance on the issue, lol.



    No he wrote the Declaration of Independence. There was no single author of the Constitution.

    The following book will explain how the drafting of the Constitution was more based upon compromise with slaveholders and small states than any sort of logical process:

    How democratic is the American ... - Google Books

    Also, I am no more interested in what the law says than the founding fathers were when they tried to make a new nation. Like them, we should focus on what is right and what works.



    I'm assuming you did not read my link to the VA, then.



    Well it shouldn't be free, only accessible. I believe NHI should come out of the general fund, be accompanied with copays, and be supplemented by taxes on things like soda. The reason Congress is doing it as it is is because of Obama's stupid promise not to raise taxes on those below 250k. (:
    Then argue logically without unsubstantiated assertions.
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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    That's too bad. I never said the law was logical. (:
    Actually it makes perfect sense. Otherwise one could sue because a cop failed to respond in time....

    On this note, we should be responsible for ourselves.



    If you read the book, you would see that our government really does not function very well not necessarily because it is large or limited, but because it is poorly designed.

    Incorrect, I would see the authors opinion on our government and what not.



    On capitalism, itís not really what we have, but capitalism is useful for a country that values wealth like ours does. However, it must be regulated and some sectors do not function well under a pure profit motive. This is especially true of health insurance.
    fine regulate it. Don't take it over.





    Feel free to present it.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_and_legal_rights]Natural and legal rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]





    Right now it might be a good idea, as Congress and the Bush Administration failed to approve extra funding that the VHA obviously needed due to the Iraq and Afghan wars. But I assume you read the link and it proved my point.

    REALLY? Are you REALLY going to blame just the last administration for the VA's dismal state? REALLY?


    The VA sucked long before Bush came to office...





    America is the worst on medical errors and costs in general:

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    Propaganda. people don't fly here for surgery cause we suck.


    Um, all of the social positions I mentioned were libertarian and not all were liberal. People who care more about fiscal issues, such as this one, generally call me a liberal though, as Iím fiscally liberal.

    Meh it's of no real matter. Some of those things you listed were really not "libertarian" or ambiguous to libertarianism......
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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Then what is being proposed?

    A non governmental health care company? Then why is the government controlling it?

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    By using the term "company" in their polling question, Rasmussen is incorporating a term that has been proven to test negative. That is dishonest, and proves Rasmussen is incapable of conducting unbiased polling research.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Why would anyone support a system where you only get the best health care if you are wealthy?
    I have a great healthcare plan and I am not wealthy.
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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    The right to good health is priceless. It shouldn't matter what the cost is as the long-term effects will be good. Look at the NHS. OOOO all nationalised and socialist oooo.
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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    The right to good health is priceless. It shouldn't matter what the cost is as the long-term effects will be good. Look at the NHS. OOOO all nationalised and socialist oooo.
    That's a cute phrase, but when you are spending over $15,000 a year for your family health care, as I am, you welcome options.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    I mean for the state, not you personally. Very few people in countries with nationalised health care pay the ludicrous costs your insurance companies impose on you. Gotta love applying liberal market principles to the health of your citizens.
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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    The right to good health is priceless.
    Its also a right that, like all others, depends on YOUR ability to provide the means necessary for its exercise.

    Having the right to X does not equate to the right to have X supplied to you for free.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Its also a right that, like all others, depends on YOUR ability to provide the means necessary for its exercise.

    Having the right to X does not equate to the right to have X supplied to you for free.
    How many Americans are tax payers? They could more than easily afford a nationalised health service. I don't understand how a nation can have the police and military protect its citizens but cannot protect them against ill health by any other means but medicare and other such programs.

    So, say, in a hypothetical world, if I never contribute anything to the implementation of law, the police or any other social protection does that mean I have no right to its protection? Or have I misunderstood you?
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