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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    The Democrats are trying to rush this entire thing through before the August recess. This is way too important to be ramming through the Congress like this. They rammed TARP through and look what a boondoggle that became. They rammed the "stimulus" through and look at that mess. Some of you had better take your head of your ass and wake up to what is going on here. These people are running with this way too fast and they are going to **** our entire health care system up.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    You're a pretty weird person.
    "Other people" provide quite a lot for you every day. Military and police protection, fire protection, paved roads, water, sewage and electricity. Do you fuss about paying the taxes that furnish these services?
    Providing a military is a Constitutional function of the Federal government. The other services you mention are services provided by the local governments. The Congress has no Constitutional authority to create a Federal health care system. This isn't hard to understand.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    The Democrats are trying to rush this entire thing through before the August recess. This is way too important to be ramming through the Congress like this. They rammed TARP through and look what a boondoggle that became. They rammed the "stimulus" through and look at that mess. Some of you had better take your head of your ass and wake up to what is going on here. These people are running with this way too fast and they are going to **** our entire health care system up.
    TARP was "rammed" through by the Bush administration. I don't think it's premature to pass a bill of intent regarding health care, even if the details need to be filled in later. Republicans simply don't want health care because they get campaign funding from the pharmaceutical and insurance industries. It's that simple. Most Americans want health care, and that is who Congress is supposed to represent.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    Providing a military is a Constitutional function of the Federal government. The other services you mention are services provided by the local governments. The Congress has no Constitutional authority to create a Federal health care system. This isn't hard to understand.
    I don't agree that creating a national healthcare system is out of constitutional bounds. However, I do believe that forcing a small segment of society to pay for it is.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    TARP was "rammed" through by the Bush administration. I don't think it's premature to pass a bill of intent regarding health care, even if the details need to be filled in later. Republicans simply don't want health care because they get campaign funding from the pharmaceutical and insurance industries. It's that simple. Most Americans want health care, and that is who Congress is supposed to represent.
    Most Americans don't want their eyeballs pulled out to pay for it, though.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    What does the "right to healthcare" even mean?

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't agree that creating a national healthcare system is out of constitutional bounds. However, I do believe that forcing a small segment of society to pay for it is.
    Where's the constitutional authority for it?

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The Founding Fathers did not believe in positive rights.
    I don't believe this is true, I think they recognized the infant nation had no capability to provide positive rights to a frontier. Nevertheless, postal service was initiated, and a militia and navy were formed. These are both positive rights. I think the founding fathers would agree that a nation is obligated to provide whatever positive rights it is capable of, and that the nation they founded, in the 21st century, should have made great strides in "promoting the general welfare".

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Did you hear the booing when Obama threw out the first pitch? I've never heard a president get that bad of a reception six months after taking office. That's usually reserved for second-termers. And this in a state he won pretty handily, no less.

    I think they're trying to get this ram-rodded through before the ground swell gets too big. Practicallay no one has confidence in this unqualified joke of a president, even less so after that 10-year-old girl's throw he displayed last night. LOL.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I don't believe this is true, I think they recognized the infant nation had no capability to provide positive rights to a frontier. Nevertheless, postal service was initiated, and a militia and navy were formed. These are both positive rights. I think the founding fathers would agree that a nation is obligated to provide whatever positive rights it is capable of, and that the nation they founded, in the 21st century, should have made great strides in "promoting the general welfare".
    You've never read anything about Locke? He was influential in their ideas, and what he thought is the complete opposite of what you're suggesting.

    They viewed the military as necessary for protecting the nation, and it could not be provided by anyone else. Many other things, like health care, are provided by others. The Founding Fathers would be adamantly against this.

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