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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Oooh Jefferson, I love Jefferson:
    Then again, you could try quoting the proper context, too.

    You quoted:
    "The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to
    secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general
    mass of those associated under it." --Thomas Jefferson to M. van
    der Kemp, 1812.
    What was also said:
    The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it. The events which this work proposes to embrace will establish the fact that unless the mass retains sufficient control over those intrusted with the powers of their government, these will be perverted to their own oppression, and to the perpetuation of wealth and power in the individuals and their families selected for the trust. Whether our Constitution has hit on the exact degree of control necessary, is yet under experiment; and it is a most encouraging reflection that distance and other difficulties securing us against the brigand governments of Europe, in the safe enjoyment of our farms and firesides, the experiment stands a better chance of being satisfactorily made here than on any occasion yet presented by history.
    Can you explain why we should emulate the brigand governments of europe?

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And if that doesn't help them, are you ok with children dying?
    Works for me.

    If you people who care so much won't open your wallets, why would you expect those of us who are honest to open ours instead?

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    It's amazing that people try to make themselves experts on only letters written from people in the past.

    By that regard if people were to have read every letter in the past from me to others, they would come to the conclusion I am a catholic. However, since I am an agnostic and haven't written many letters since then that would be false conclusion.

    Amazing how people can consider themselves experts on what people have written without knowing the person.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Works for me.

    If you people who care so much won't open your wallets, why would you expect those of us who are honest to open ours instead?
    The problem is that not every person opens their wallets and people would starve otherwise.

    Not that you would care obviously since you would be ok with children dying.

    Oh and BTW before you put your foot in your mouth you have no idea what I donate, nor do you know what I volunteer for, so take a nice 64 oz. glass of STFU on that ok?
    Last edited by TheNextEra; 07-16-09 at 09:25 PM.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Ahh but the conservative mentality is those that are qualified get jobs. For those not qualified, then they fall out of the system. I'm glad you are ok with children dying to serve your political agenda.
    I'm perfectly okay with that.

    Ain't my kids.

    I used to push a nuclear submarine around that may or may not have carried nuclear missiles, something I'm not at liberty to say. I was perfectly aware that the kids under those missiles were going to die, so I could protect my "political agenda" and the nation that went with it.

    I'm certainly not going to get squamish about protecting America just because the vermin trying to bring it down live here, too.

    What have you ever done for America?

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Works for me.

    If you people who care so much won't open your wallets, why would you expect those of us who are honest to open ours instead?
    Because they're only charitable with other people's money.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It's amazing that people try to make themselves experts on only letters written from people in the past.

    By that regard if people were to have read every letter in the past from me to others, they would come to the conclusion I am a catholic. However, since I am an agnostic and haven't written many letters since then that would be false conclusion.

    Amazing how people can consider themselves experts on what people have written without knowing the person.
    So are you trying to say that we should disregard all letters or written works that people write? Wow, then our intellectual development is meaningless because we can't trust people's words.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "True law is right reason in agreement with nature . . . Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature [and] will suffer the worst penalties . . ." - Cicero

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I'm perfectly okay with that.

    Ain't my kids.
    So you are ok with kids starving that is good to now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    What have you ever done for America?
    I love when people ask me this question, It is the main reason why I don't submit my name for an award recognition at this site, because I love how many people automatically assume because I am a liberal and haven't done anything for my country.

    I am retired army, served a total of 20 years 7 months.

    Next Question?

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    So are you trying to say that we should disregard all letters or written works that people write? Wow, then our intellectual development is meaningless because we can't trust people's words.
    I'm saying that when people write something AT SOME TIME, doesn't reflect who they are when they die.

    Again I submit myself, I have written letters and people would say I am a catholic, but if I were to die tomorrow, they would never know I ma an agnostic.

    Are you saying that written letters say who a person is their entire life?

    Sorry, but a letter reflects who they were at the time they wrote the letter only.

    It doesn't reflect their beliefs at death for certain. Things change.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I'm perfectly okay with that.



    I used to push a nuclear submarine around that may or may not have carried nuclear missiles, something I'm not at liberty to say.
    Nuclear sub captain eh? Sure you were, just like Scorpion is a "test pilot instructor"

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