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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Your seriousness is irrelevant, since your doubts are proven wrong by the Ninth and Tenth Amendments.
    And Article V of the Constitution itself.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post

    I don't believe this is true, I think they recognized the infant nation had no capability to provide positive rights to a frontier. Nevertheless, postal service was initiated, and a militia and navy were formed. These are both positive rights. I think the founding fathers would agree that a nation is obligated to provide whatever positive rights it is capable of, and that the nation they founded, in the 21st century, should have made great strides in "promoting the general welfare".
    Constitutional authority was delegated to create certain institutions, that does not translate into a positive right.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Why can't this be achieved at the state levels? Is this not something that is the province of the states, since the federal government is not granted this authority in the Constitution?
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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The Constitution and its amendments are drafted in highly general terms.
    The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are almost exclusively excruciatingly explicit in intent and meaning.

    The Congress has the power to fund the Army and Navy.

    It has no authority to fund any of the socialist nonsense that's corrupted this country since the beginning of the Twentieth Century.

    It's very explicit, all you have to do is stop pretending you don't speak english.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Everyone got enchanted with Leviathan in the 20th century, especially Hobbes' idea that words have no meaning.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are almost exclusively excruciatingly explicit in intent and meaning.

    The Congress has the power to fund the Army and Navy.

    It has no authority to fund any of the socialist nonsense that's corrupted this country since the beginning of the Twentieth Century.

    It's very explicit, all you have to do is stop pretending you don't speak english.
    The poor are to be helped through individual charity.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Will,

    As American posted........ Showing your fail..


    "If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1802. ME 10:342
    Oooh Jefferson, I love Jefferson:

    "The first object of human association [is] the full improvement of
    their condition." --Thomas Jefferson: Virginia Protest, 1825.

    "The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to
    secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general
    mass of those associated under it." --Thomas Jefferson to M. van
    der Kemp, 1812.

    "It will be said that great societies cannot exist without
    government." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia, 1782.

    "This I hope will be the age of experiments in government, and
    that their basis will be founded in principles of honesty, not of
    mere force." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1796.

    "We exist, and are quoted, as standing proofs that a government,
    so modeled as to rest continually on the will of the whole
    society, is a practicable government." --Thomas Jefferson to
    Richard Rush, 1820.

    and this, one of my favorites

    "The greatest good we can do our country is to heal its party
    divisions and make them one people." --Thomas Jefferson to John
    Dickinson, 1801.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The poor are to be helped through individual charity.
    Works for me.

    Gives'em incentive to find jobs.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The poor are to be helped through individual charity.
    And if that doesn't help them, are you ok with children dying?

    I'm ok right now, so each and every child that dies because government help is not there is on you. You ok with that? Can you and others live with yourselves knowing a child is dying because you took away welfare?
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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Works for me.

    Gives'em incentive to find jobs.

    Ahh but the conservative mentality is those that are qualified get jobs. For those not qualified, then they fall out of the system. I'm glad you are ok with children dying to serve your political agenda.

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