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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    One, I am not the one that said that.
    You are correct, my mistake. It was Phattonnez who said "The Founding Fathers did not believe in positive rights."

    I ask him, or anyone who believes this quote, to provide evidence it is true.

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    You are correct, my mistake. It was Phattonnez who said "The Founding Fathers did not believe in positive rights."

    I ask him, or anyone who believes this quote, to provide evidence it is true.



    The onus is on you to prove your contention that they did. Thus far you have failed miserably, and have expected others to do the work for you.
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    mad Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Nothing can be construed as a right if participation is mandatory as the Dims (no spill error) have in store for us in the Universally Careless Health Plan for forced euthanasia, eugenics and abortions. By the way if you can't afford insurance under the Liberal plan it will cost you $1,000 in the form of a fine they will already know you don't have.
    Add to this that they want to tax your health benefits. I hope everyone has a big nose because you're going to be paying through it. Oh that's right Obama has a big nose because from all the lying so he thinks everyone must have one too.

    Candidate Obama; Sept. 12, 2008: "I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."

    Recession is when your neighbor loses their job.
    Depression is when you lose your Job.
    Recovery is when Obama loses his job.
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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So now I guess "rights" can be forced on people? This is just getting better and better. So I guess if someone does not want to keep and bear arms we can fine them one thousand dollars? Not to mention nothing at all framed in the Constitution supports this kind of welfare.
    No you got it all wrong, I am going to force you to subsidize my gun buying and my bullets through government confiscation of your wages b/c that is what my right is now.

    While your busy doing that, if a gun company isnt providing someone with a gun, then they get fined $1,000. Who cares if the gun industry goes belly up, they will just keep making more guns b/c "it is the right thing to do".

    I am for affordable guns and ammo!!! This will make guns and ammo cheaper in the long run!!!

    For real though: The same 10-12 million who cant afford insurance now, will still not be able to after this thing passes. Watch and see.
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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Candidate Obama; Sept. 12, 2008: "I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."...
    ....or your tobacco taxes!

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    The onus is on you to prove your contention that they did. Thus far you have failed miserably, and have expected others to do the work for you.
    I quoted from a participant who made a claim that the founding fathers did not believe in positive rights. I am asking him to provide a link proving evidence of that claim. Why don't you just butt out?

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I quoted from a participant who made a claim that the founding fathers did not believe in positive rights. I am asking him to provide a link proving evidence of that claim. Why don't you just butt out?



    you quoted me, and made a positive rights argument in post #3

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    There was no understanding of medicine in 1776. I assume you are joking.


    You have been weasling away from proving your contention ever since.




    as for "Butting out" you addressed me, and the Good Revernend will do as he pleases.
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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    you quoted me, and made a positive rights argument in post #3

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    The totality of my post #3 is as follows:
    There was no understanding of medicine in 1776. I assume you are joking.
    I expect an apology

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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    The totality of my post #3 is as follows:

    I expect an apology

    Duh, That's exactly what I posted....


    I am sorry you fail so often.....


    That is a positive rights argument. Please prove that if they knew of modern medicine they would view it as a right.


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    Re: House bill would make health care a right

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I quoted from a participant who made a claim that the founding fathers did not believe in positive rights. I am asking him to provide a link proving evidence of that claim. Why don't you just butt out?
    I have to prove that the Founding Fathers didn't want the government to do something? That's not how they wrote. They specifically laid out those things that the government should do. If it's not there, then it can't be done.

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