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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Let's see, gun fights in the street from concealed carry is about as ignorant as allowing people to get ****faced drunk and pack a weapon around. You go sit in the bar with them.

    Let me clarify, it is common ****ing sense. I would never had thought that concealed carry would have caused any problems, but in a bar? You must be kidding.
    Really, and knowing they lose their right to carry if discovered drunk won't create a deterrence?
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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Correct.

    There are two arguments in this thread, one is for the government intervention in healthcare / abortion... and the other is for gun owners rights.

    One is the government reaching for more power, and the other is the government letting go of power / giving it back to the citizens / businesses.
    Ahh so you're arguing against the waiting period to buy a pistol?

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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ahh so you're arguing against the waiting period to buy a pistol?
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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Really, and knowing they lose their right to carry if discovered drunk won't create a deterrence?
    He's already conceded his position.
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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Ok, then I will change my opinion on that then. If the owners can still decide that they don't want firearms in their establishments I am ok with that then.
    And they can now arm their bouncers to enforce that policy if they choose.

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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Really, and knowing they lose their right to carry if discovered drunk won't create a deterrence?
    For some no, just like knowing people can lose their license or get jailed doesn't stop them from drinking and driving.

    As I amended though, I would be willing to compromise and say if the CCW people get caught carrying while drinking it be treated harshly like a DUI.

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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    For some no, just like knowing people can lose their license or get jailed doesn't stop them from drinking and driving.

    As I amended though, I would be willing to compromise and say if the CCW people get caught carrying while drinking it be treated harshly like a DUI.
    Well you say while drinking because they're allowed to carry in a bar. That would be like the state setting them up.
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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    For some no, just like knowing people can lose their license or get jailed doesn't stop them from drinking and driving.

    As I amended though, I would be willing to compromise and say if the CCW people get caught carrying while drinking it be treated harshly like a DUI.
    And it should be, carrying a firearm is much like driving.. it carries a lot of responsibility with it.
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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    For some no, just like knowing people can lose their license or get jailed doesn't stop them from drinking and driving.

    As I amended though, I would be willing to compromise and say if the CCW people get caught carrying while drinking it be treated harshly like a DUI.
    To compare:

    South Dakota Codified Laws
    22-14-7. Reckless discharge of firearm or shooting of bow and arrow--Leaving trip device--Possession of loaded firearm while intoxicated--Misdemeanor. Any person who:
    (1) Recklessly discharges a firearm or recklessly shoots a bow and arrow;
    (2) Sets a device designed to activate a weapon upon being tripped or approached, and leaves the device unmarked or unattended by a competent person; or
    (3) Has in personal possession a loaded firearm while intoxicated;
    is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor
    .
    And here's DUI:
    South Dakota Codified Laws
    32-23-2. Punishment for prohibited driving--First offense. If conviction for a violation of 32-23-1 is for a first offense, such person is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor, and the defendant's driving privileges shall be revoked for not less than thirty days. However, the court may in its discretion issue an order upon proof of financial responsibility, pursuant to 32-35-113, permitting the person to operate a vehicle for purposes of employment, 24/7 sobriety testing, attendance at school, or attendance at counseling programs. The court may also order the revocation of the defendant's driving privilege for a further period not to exceed one year or restrict the privilege in such manner as it sees fit for a period not to exceed one year.
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    For celerity, you could still go in and have a beer while carrying, just like you can have a beer and still legally drive.

    You just can't be intoxicated.
    Last edited by Jerry; 07-14-09 at 01:46 PM.

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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    To compare:



    And here's DUI:


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    For celerity, you could still go in and have a beer while carrying, just like you can have a beer and still legally drive.

    You just can't be intoxicated.
    I think you're allowed to shoot one person per hour as long as you have a meal with you drink.
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