You don't encourage responsibility by removing people's rights.
There are 34 other states that have the same laws, and there are no blood baths in their bars / restaurants. You're grasping for straws... because you have nothing to argue with.
The law states that people will not be allowed to drink, period. If they do drink while they're CCW'ing in an establishment, punish them for their crimes. Until then, you have no right to impose limits on my rights to carry a firearm for self defense of myself, my friends, my family, or other citizens.
Because of my training (to get my ccw card) I understand the laws of using lethal force to stop a threat... Being threatened about having my ass kicked doesn't give me the right to shoot someone... But.. again, nice hypothetical... it seems all you can afford to bring to the table.
George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.
Screw the democrats interfering with my medical well being, having doctors tell me what procedures I'm allowed to have and when, and having the government dictate how, when, and where I'm having my procedures being done! How dare those democratic assholes, don't they know only conservatives get to tell us that!
Seriously, if any conservative tries to go into a UHC thread and bitch about the slippery slope precent it presents I'm going to point to this thread, laugh in their face, and ignore them like the hypocrites they are. We can ignore the slippery slope in this case because hey, its abortion, and we hate abortion, so screw our other principles, grrrr....but if the DEM'S bring it up, WOOO BOOY, are we going to be whiny and bitchy then!
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"I am appalled that somebody who is the nominee...would take that kind of position"
"A court took away a presidency"
"...the brother of a man running for president was the governor of the state..."
It's horrifying because Trump is blunt instead of making overt implications.
Best argument that you have presented. I will back down, as it is true there are no stats that show an increase in bar room deaths. If the laws are enforced on the drinking and carrying then it should be fine. I just think it seems a little wreckless.The law states that people will not be allowed to drink, period. If they do drink while they're CCW'ing in an establishment, punish them for their crimes. Until then, you have no right to impose limits on my rights to carry a firearm for self defense of myself, my friends, my family, or other citizens.
Doctors/Pharmacists the right to deny plan B is also dependant upon situation. I'm not so sure about the doctor part, but for private business I think a pharmacist can choose or not choose what they sell in their own store. Now I say if some guy owns a pharmacy and wants to sell Plan B, any pharmacist who works there has to sell it because it's no longer their store and they have to go with the wishes of the property owner. But for the property owner themselves, I think they should be free to make the decision for themselves. I think it's their right to sell or not carry any legal product they wish.
Concealed carry needs to be expanded and made easier. Quite honestly, I view open carry and concealed carry as the base situation. I don't see how the State can forbid either one as the individual has the right to to keep and bear arms. I would have long ago abolished most of the laws against open and conceal carry and the norm would be that if the property owner allows it on their property, even if that property is a bar, then you are allowed to carry your gun onto that property. Now this law can't force people to allow guns on their property. If a property owner, such as a bar owner, does not want to allow guns on their property, I think it is their right to deny that. You have to post that guns are not allowed on your property (this doesn't stop the property owner themselves from having guns mind you, just that other people can't bring their guns onto the owner's property), but the choice is up to the property owner.
You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo
Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville