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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Lawless people carry guns into bars. So why shouldn't we let law abiding citizens do it?

    I do agree that the bar owner has the right on his property to say no CC, but that is a completely different issue.
    It is one thing for it to be done illegally and another for it to be condoned. It is never a good mix and is irresponsible. I own several guns, but you can bet your ass I am not going to allow my friends to come over and drink some beers and get them out.

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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    If you honestly believe that only DD's will carry guns into bars then you are naive.

    Even bar owners do not want such a bill.
    AZ May Allow Concealed Carry In Bars - WBAL Radio - wbal.com
    What's your point? They believe that CCW'ers are irresponsible and will drink... or they don't know wtf they're talking about and are ASSUMING that it's legal for them to drink.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's still illegal to get drunk while carrying
    I'd support DUI like punishments for those that do drink while CCW'ing in these establishments. Drinking + guns == Reckless, which is about the same as drinking + driving.

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    What will it take for common sense to prevail? I am not against gun control or bans, but I do not think guns and alcohol should be mixed. Most of these bills allowing the carry into bars are new, so no statistics exist yet. But I can see by your responses that people will ACTUALLY have to die before you will say, "maybe that was a bad idea." We should allow nuclear scientists to drink at work as well, why not!?!
    So, you're all for the people who currently carry guns into bars illegally? How many people have to die in bar shootings before you realize that cause something is illegal doesn't mean that criminals won't do it?

    That's called the head up my ass if I ignore it long enough it won't be true mentality.

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    It is illegal to get drunk and drive, but people do it all the time.
    And they're regularly punished for it. The same should happen for CCW holders who drink while in these establishments.
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    What will it take for common sense to prevail? I am not against gun control or bans, but I do not think guns and alcohol should be mixed. Most of these bills allowing the carry into bars are new, so no statistics exist yet. But I can see by your responses that people will ACTUALLY have to die before you will say, "maybe that was a bad idea." We should allow nuclear scientists to drink at work as well, why not!?!
    #1 It is already illegal in most carry states to get drunk and carry.
    #2 Criminals do not obey the law and carry guns into bars. So why should law abiding citizens be barred?
    #3 People being killed in bars has been going on for years. Now the good guys can fight back.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well if 'they're going to do it anyway', may as well teach them how to be safe, right?
    Yeah, I guess. My main problem is, that if this blows-up and people begin getting killed, it is going to have a backlash on regular gun owners like myself. And rather than reducing legislation, there will be more. This is dumb.

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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    It is one thing for it to be done illegally and another for it to be condoned. It is never a good mix and is irresponsible. I own several guns, but you can bet your ass I am not going to allow my friends to come over and drink some beers and get them out.
    Why would you expect your friends to come over, drink and pull guns out? This says more about the company you keep than any law.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Give them an inch, they'll take a mile. That's how it is with our government regardless of their leadership orientation.

    They've proven this time and time again.. with conservatives in the office, and with liberals in the office.
    Right, like how RvW was argued based on medical necessity and now pro-choice has on-demand abortion for any or no reason at all.

    If you think 24 hours is bad just wait until we have a national health care program where you have to wait months.

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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Lawless people carry guns into bars. So why shouldn't we let law abiding citizens do it?

    I do agree that the bar owner has the right on his property to say no CC, but that is a completely different issue.

    Absolutely, it is the establishment's owner who decides on whether people can ccw in his place of business.

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    It is one thing for it to be done illegally and another for it to be condoned. It is never a good mix and is irresponsible. I own several guns, but you can bet your ass I am not going to allow my friends to come over and drink some beers and get them out.
    You seem to have this fixation on any ccw holder getting drunk for ****s and giggles in these establishments... even though it's illegal... gee.
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Right, like how RvW was argued based on medical necessity and now pro-choice has on-demand abortion for any or no reason at all.

    If you think 24 hours is bad just wait until we have a national health care program where you have to wait months.
    I disagree with Roe Vs Wade as it puts the Federal Government on top as far as State Law should be concerned.

    Regardless my point still stands about both parties and their grasps for power that they never let go of once they get it.
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Yeah, I guess. My main problem is, that if this blows-up and people begin getting killed, it is going to have a backlash on regular gun owners like myself. And rather than reducing legislation, there will be more. This is dumb.
    Like gay-marriage, other states are already doing it, and society didn't come crashing down for them.

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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    #1 It is already illegal in most carry states to get drunk and carry.
    #2 Criminals do not obey the law and carry guns into bars. So why should law abiding citizens be barred?
    #3 People being killed in bars has been going on for years. Now the good guys can fight back.
    Fine, just watch and see, and when we have even more regulation down the road from such laws being passed and increased violence, there will be no one to blame.

    The only hope is that bar owners ban CC on their premises.

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