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People being strapped in a bar could have a positive effect on the gene pool.
Keep in mind that individual establishments can still ban firearms from their property.
This is like a smoking ban being lifted. Now the business owner can decide to allow it or not.
How is that anything other than a pro-choice position?
If you cannot drink while carrying, why does it matter?
Keep in mind that individual establishments can still ban firearms from their property.
Yes... and?You aren't supposed to drink and drive either, but people do.
Really, and knowing they lose their right to carry if discovered drunk won't create a deterrence?Let's see, gun fights in the street from concealed carry is about as ignorant as allowing people to get ****faced drunk and pack a weapon around. You go sit in the bar with them.
Let me clarify, it is common ****ing sense. I would never had thought that concealed carry would have caused any problems, but in a bar? You must be kidding.
Correct.
There are two arguments in this thread, one is for the government intervention in healthcare / abortion... and the other is for gun owners rights.
One is the government reaching for more power, and the other is the government letting go of power / giving it back to the citizens / businesses.
Ahh so you're arguing against the waiting period to buy a pistol?
Really, and knowing they lose their right to carry if discovered drunk won't create a deterrence?
Ok, then I will change my opinion on that then. If the owners can still decide that they don't want firearms in their establishments I am ok with that then.
Really, and knowing they lose their right to carry if discovered drunk won't create a deterrence?
Well you say while drinking because they're allowed to carry in a bar. That would be like the state setting them up.For some no, just like knowing people can lose their license or get jailed doesn't stop them from drinking and driving.
As I amended though, I would be willing to compromise and say if the CCW people get caught carrying while drinking it be treated harshly like a DUI.
For some no, just like knowing people can lose their license or get jailed doesn't stop them from drinking and driving.
As I amended though, I would be willing to compromise and say if the CCW people get caught carrying while drinking it be treated harshly like a DUI.
To compare:For some no, just like knowing people can lose their license or get jailed doesn't stop them from drinking and driving.
As I amended though, I would be willing to compromise and say if the CCW people get caught carrying while drinking it be treated harshly like a DUI.
South Dakota Codified Laws
22-14-7. Reckless discharge of firearm or shooting of bow and arrow--Leaving trip device--Possession of loaded firearm while intoxicated--Misdemeanor. Any person who:
(1) Recklessly discharges a firearm or recklessly shoots a bow and arrow;
(2) Sets a device designed to activate a weapon upon being tripped or approached, and leaves the device unmarked or unattended by a competent person; or
(3) Has in personal possession a loaded firearm while intoxicated;
is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.
South Dakota Codified Laws
32-23-2. Punishment for prohibited driving--First offense. If conviction for a violation of § 32-23-1 is for a first offense, such person is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor, and the defendant's driving privileges shall be revoked for not less than thirty days. However, the court may in its discretion issue an order upon proof of financial responsibility, pursuant to § 32-35-113, permitting the person to operate a vehicle for purposes of employment, 24/7 sobriety testing, attendance at school, or attendance at counseling programs. The court may also order the revocation of the defendant's driving privilege for a further period not to exceed one year or restrict the privilege in such manner as it sees fit for a period not to exceed one year.
I think you're allowed to shoot one person per hour as long as you have a meal with you drink. :mrgreen:To compare:
And here's DUI:
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For celerity, you could still go in and have a beer while carrying, just like you can have a beer and still legally drive.
You just can't be intoxicated.
Many, probably most people consider the unborn to be people. One of the cornerstones of Law in the Western World, is the protection of the weak and defenseless. The historically recent legalization of abortion is an aberration.
If law is not for the protection of the most vulnerable, then what good is it really? Better to return to the Rule of Strength, which at least has the benefit of improving the genetic stock.
define most people.
Define "define".
Why would go to a bar if you can't drink?
If you honestly believe that only DD's will carry guns into bars then you are naive.
Even bar owners do not want such a bill.
AZ May Allow Concealed Carry In Bars - WBAL Radio - wbal.com