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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Many, probably most people consider the unborn to be people. One of the cornerstones of Law in the Western World, is the protection of the weak and defenseless. The historically recent legalization of abortion is an aberration.

    If law is not for the protection of the most vulnerable, then what good is it really? Better to return to the Rule of Strength, which at least has the benefit of improving the genetic stock.
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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Many, probably most people consider the unborn to be people. One of the cornerstones of Law in the Western World, is the protection of the weak and defenseless. The historically recent legalization of abortion is an aberration.

    If law is not for the protection of the most vulnerable, then what good is it really? Better to return to the Rule of Strength, which at least has the benefit of improving the genetic stock.
    define most people.

    There are a lot of people, including myself, who define the baby as a baby (or person) once it's formed a neural cortex / actually started developing.

    I don't consider a clump of cancer that doesn't think a life... why should I consider another clump of cells that are dividing in a host's body a life?

    I realize the ramifications of this rationale.. and I don't believe women should partake in late-term abortions... but it's not my choice to influence how they treat their bodies.

    I hope I'm clear as mud. :P
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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    define most people.
    Define "define".

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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Define "define".
    Does it have anything to do with pants?
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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    The guns and bars topic was already beaten to death in another thread.

    Bar owners can still post against CCW.
    CCW guys with guns cannot legally drink unless they put their gun up.
    CCW permit holders have an established record of being far FAR more law-abiding than Joe Average.
    Scofflaws already enter bars with guns, AND drink.

    Yes, guns and booze in the same person are a bad mix. This bill does not authorize that. It authorizes CCW permit holders to carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, or a bar, IF the place isn't posted and IF they refrain from drinking. This should not increase drunken shootings one iota, since it isn't CCW holders who are engaging in drunken shootings NOW, to any significant degree.

    I'm working towards this is my home state. We need it as SC does not distinguish between "restaurants that serve alcohol" and "bars" legally.

    Getting hysterical about it is just as silly as the original hysteria that shall-issue CCW would mean Dodge City gunfights on every street. Didn't happen, and won't happen with this.

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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Why would go to a bar if you can't drink?
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    Re: Governor signs bills on guns, abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    If you honestly believe that only DD's will carry guns into bars then you are naive.

    Even bar owners do not want such a bill.
    AZ May Allow Concealed Carry In Bars - WBAL Radio - wbal.com
    So what part of the following did you deliberately refuse to understand?

    "The bill gives bars discretion to keep gun-toting patrons out, and anyone with a weapon would not be allowed to drink. But the bill has angered bar owners who believe booze and guns are a recipe for disaster."

    So, let's see....bar owners can tell people, "Yo! Leave your guns outside," and beyond that, it's illegal for gun owners to carry both a drink and a gun.

    So what's the complaint?

    Oh, the complaint is that some people will bring guns into the bar.

    What's stopping them from doing that now?

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