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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

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    What branch is the military under? But there is still Congressional powers over the military aren't there.
    Of course, each branch has some authority over the institutions. The point is that there are plenty of things that the President has authority to do that do not invoke any congressional authority. I've yet to see anyone indicate that this isn't such a situation.
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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Of course, each branch has some authority over the institutions. The point is that there are plenty of things that the President has authority to do that do not invoke any congressional authority. I've yet to see anyone indicate that this isn't such a situation.
    Apparently Congress passed legislation granting themselves committee oversight and access to the CIA after the Watergate scandal.

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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Apparently Congress passed legislation granting themselves committee oversight and access to the CIA after the Watergate scandal.
    And what specific language in that legislation governs this situation?
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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

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    Please link me to the exact statute requiring this. I think you might be surprised.
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    And what specific language in that legislation governs this situation?
    You, sir, are not playing fair. Asking questions like these of those who haven't a clue of that which they speak is just not proper debating. Shouldn't you give yourself a three point infraction?


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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Of course, each branch has some authority over the institutions. The point is that there are plenty of things that the President has authority to do that do not invoke any congressional authority. I've yet to see anyone indicate that this isn't such a situation.
    Without congressional AUTHORITY, yes. Without congressional KNOWLEDGE? That gets a bit murkier. It's dangerous to allow the President to do whatever he wants without even telling Congress. Who is going to oversee him to make sure he doesn't exceed his authority?

    I'm not suggesting that Nancy Pelosi needs to be privy to every conversation that takes place in the Situation Room...but if it goes beyond just conversation and a program or policy is actually started, then congressional leaders should be notified.
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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Without congressional AUTHORITY, yes. Without congressional KNOWLEDGE? That gets a bit murkier. It's dangerous to allow the President to do whatever he wants without even telling Congress. Who is going to oversee him to make sure he doesn't exceed his authority?

    I'm not suggesting that Nancy Pelosi needs to be privy to every conversation that takes place in the Situation Room...but if it goes beyond just conversation and a program or policy is actually started, then congressional leaders should be notified.
    Did it go beyond just conversation?
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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And what specific language in that legislation governs this situation?
    The question makes no sense. If they are under obligation to brief the Congressional Oversight Committee on CIA activities, then by withholding info or misleading members, they are in violation.

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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

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    Did it go beyond just conversation?
    The program was cancelled only last week, after going on for 8 years. Does that sound like conversation to you?

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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Without congressional AUTHORITY, yes. Without congressional KNOWLEDGE? That gets a bit murkier. It's dangerous to allow the President to do whatever he wants without even telling Congress. Who is going to oversee him to make sure he doesn't exceed his authority?

    I'm not suggesting that Nancy Pelosi needs to be privy to every conversation that takes place in the Situation Room...but if it goes beyond just conversation and a program or policy is actually started, then congressional leaders should be notified.
    Sometimes, there's no time to ask Congress's permission to launch a mission. It certainly isn't a good idea to put the operational decision making process into the hands of a bunch of partisan politicians.
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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sometimes, there's no time to ask Congress's permission to launch a mission. It certainly isn't a good idea to put the operational decision making process into the hands of a bunch of partisan politicians.
    They had eight years, and the incoming Director of Central Intelligence was not informed of the existence of the program. So you have a private citizen, Dick Cheney, who for six months has kept knowledge of an operational CIA program to himself. Does this not stink?

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