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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    There is a problem with this commentary. First you are assuming that the officials are telling the truth. Second, if Pakistan controlled all of the weapons and money flowing into Afghanistan, then how can we know what went to whom?
    I cite this from the Wikki Page,

    According to CNN journalist Peter Bergen, known for conducting the first television interview with Osama bin Laden in 1997,

    The story about bin Laden and the CIA — that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden — is simply a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently. The real story here is the CIA did not understand who Osama was until 1996, when they set up a unit to really start tracking him.

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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    I cite this from the Wikki Page,

    According to CNN journalist Peter Bergen, known for conducting the first television interview with Osama bin Laden in 1997,

    The story about bin Laden and the CIA — that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden — is simply a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently. The real story here is the CIA did not understand who Osama was until 1996, when they set up a unit to really start tracking him.
    Regardless of what Peter Bergen says, there are many confirmed versions of the CIA connection with Osama binLaden. This one is particularly detailed:

    In 1986, bin Laden brought heavy construction equipment from Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan. Using his extensive knowledge of construction techniques (he has a degree in civil engineering), he built “training camps”, some dug deep into the sides of mountains, and built roads to reach them.

    These camps, now dubbed “terrorist universities” by Washington, were built in collaboration with the ISI and the CIA. The Afghan contra fighters, including the tens of thousands of mercenaries recruited and paid for by bin Laden, were armed by the CIA. Pakistan, the US and Britain provided military trainers.

    Tom Carew, a former British SAS soldier who secretly fought for the mujaheddin told the August 13, 2000, British Observer, “The Americans were keen to teach the Afghans the techniques of urban terrorism — car bombing and so on — so that they could strike at the Russians in major towns ... Many of them are now using their knowledge and expertise to wage war on everything they hate.”

    Al Qaeda (the Base), bin Laden's organization, was established in 1987-88 to run the camps and other business enterprises. It is a tightly-run capitalist holding company — albeit one that integrates the operations of a mercenary force and related logistical services with “legitimate” business operations.

    Bin Laden has simply continued to do the job he was asked to do in Afghanistan during the 1980's — fund, feed and train mercenaries. All that has changed is his primary customer. Then it was the ISI and, behind the scenes, the CIA. Today, his services are utilized primarily by the reactionary Taliban regime.

    Bin Laden only became a “terrorist” in US eyes when he fell out with the Saudi royal family over its decision to allow more than 540,000 US troops to be stationed on Saudi soil following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.
    How the CIA created Osama bin Laden

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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Not exaclty true Mr. Clinton ask the US Army if they could put together a Black Ops team and he was told that under the (rules at the time) the US Army was forbidden to operated these types of Black Opps teams. Would leave the folks in these teams open to International Warcrime Charges and would go against the MCOJ.
    Wrong, the Army has covert operational capability for a reason. Counter terrorism operations are not forbidden anywhere in any policy the Army has. The Pentagon refused a covert strategy because they were following the Powell Doctrine of operational planning.

    As for the CIA they were never actually ask by Mr. Clinton and when they did ask Mr. Clinton permission to take out Bin Laden Mr Clinton told them not once but three times no because he was worried about so-called clatural damage or deaths. In retrospect Mr. Clinton admit that he was wrong on that part and should have allowed the CIA to take the Drone Hits.
    How could Clinton apologize for not taking the "Drone Hits" when the drones were unarmed at that time? Further on one occasion there were princes from the UAE with Bin Laden and the only option available were cruise missiles.

    Collateral damage is a MAJOR factor when you are trying to take out a single person. There were no armed operators on the ground that EVER had Bin Laden in "their sights" and ready to kill, only to have Clinton say "no." You're being dishonest. There were times when they were pretty sure (not 100%) where Bin Laden was. Killing a bunch of civilians to get one man, especially prior to 9/11, was a very valid concern.
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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Regardless of what Peter Bergen says, there are many confirmed versions of the CIA connection with Osama binLaden. This one is particularly detailed:



    How the CIA created Osama bin Laden
    Ahhh, well if the "Conspiracy Archive" supports your absurd allegation, then it has to be true.

    They also discuss demons in alien's clothing, entrances to the inner world under South America, the secret commonwealth of elves and fairies, and the theory that UFOs are actually piloted by fairies from here on Earth.

    Yep, sounds like a reputable source to me.

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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Made even more diabolical because it never got past the planning stage. It was never more than an analytical exercise.

    Might be why they never briefed the Congress on it....nothing to say about it.
    A better reason is that too many Congressmen believe they're above the law and make things public that should never be.

    The phrase "loose lips sinks ships" was in reference to a jackass congressman in WWII blurting that our submarines could go deeper than the enemy's depth charges were set to.

    The enemy, naturally, set it's depth charges to go off deeper.

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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Seriously where was this big CIA assination plan back in the first gulf war when George SR. and Dick Cheney refused to take out the dreaded Saddam?

    This is all smoke and mirrors. Cheneys goose is cooked.
    Cheney owns geese?

    What crimes have they been indicted for?

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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Ahhh, well if the "Conspiracy Archive" supports your absurd allegation, then it has to be true.

    They also discuss demons in alien's clothing, entrances to the inner world under South America, the secret commonwealth of elves and fairies, and the theory that UFOs are actually piloted by fairies from here on Earth.

    Yep, sounds like a reputable source to me.
    Hey, don't laugh at the fairies.

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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This was the evil, corrupt, despicable plan that Cheney was hiding from the rest of us? This is what caused Pelosi, et al. to throw tizzy fits, screaming about how the Republicans were criminals?

    My god, what a diabolical plot. To think that the Bush administration advanced a plan to kill terrorists under a rationale that Obama has adopted.
    As much as I bust your chops when I think you're wrong, it would be remiss of me not to applaud when you nail one right in the bullseye.

    Well said sir.

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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Damb that Pelosi. She made the Republicans screw the pooch.

    Cheney is hiding many things from the rest of us and congress.
    You obviously have more information on this than the rest of us. Care to share?

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Seriously where was this big CIA assination plan back in the first gulf war when George SR. and Dick Cheney refused to take out the dreaded Saddam?

    This is all smoke and mirrors. Cheneys goose is cooked.
    Can you think of a difference between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaida leaders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    Sorry, but we do not have dictators in this country.

    In matters of covert ops, the Director of Central Intelligence by law must notify the intelligence oversight committees of the Congress.

    If the CIA was ordered not to tell congress as has been charged, this is about as serious as it gets.
    Please link me to the exact statute requiring this. I think you might be surprised.


    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Let's look at this question another way. In regards to the security of this country, should the CIA be responsible to Congress or the President only? What would be the implications if the CIA were only responsible to the President?
    What branch is the CIA under?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Regardless of what Peter Bergen says, there are many confirmed versions of the CIA connection with Osama binLaden. This one is particularly detailed:

    How the CIA created Osama bin Laden
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    I have it on good authority that Osama is actually in league with Sharon Swoopes of the WNBA to bore us to death.

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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    What branch is the CIA under?
    What branch is the military under? But there is still Congressional powers over the military aren't there.

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