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    Re: Counter-Insurgency

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    That doesn't help the smallest bit. At least I'm saying what we could possible do. And I quite frankly don't have the patience to go look for an actual doctrine related to what I'm saying. It's understood that you need to establish a presence, and then increase the presence when performing counter-insurgnecy, correct?

    Warfare, is warfare, is warfare. The objective is counter insurgency operations is the same as with any other type of land warfare. You have to deny the enemy the ability to operate. Granted, when fighting an unconventional force, cooperation with the local personel is more important than in most other scenarios and that adds a new twist to the strategy that a commander would employ in his theater of operations. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that you have to defeat the enemy. The locals aren't going to defeat the enemy for you. If that were the case, you and your soldiers wouldn;t even be there.

    Don't worry about the supporting docs, because I know you can't find any, creible, or not, to support your point of view.
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    Re: Counter-Insurgency

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Warfare, is warfare, is warfare. The objective is counter insurgency operations is the same as with any other type of land warfare. You have to deny the enemy the ability to operate. Granted, when fighting an unconventional force, cooperation with the local personel is more important than in most other scenarios and that adds a new twist to the strategy that a commander would employ in his theater of operations. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that you have to defeat the enemy. The locals aren't going to defeat the enemy for you. If that were the case, you and your soldiers wouldn;t even be there.

    Don't worry about the supporting docs, because I know you can't find any, creible, or not, to support your point of view.
    Don't forget that it is implausible to remove the enemy supply, and the enemy's will to fight you. All of those attributed to counter-insurgency would force a commander to think and act very differently from say a defensive war in Germany.

    And I frankly don't care enough about a petty dispute to waste time scrolling through pages of results for something like this. And you might make yourself a bit more "creible" if you spelt it right, or took the time to fix it ( something close to 7 or 8 seconds).
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    Re: Counter-Insurgency

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Don't forget that it is implausible to remove the enemy supply, and the enemy's will to fight you. All of those attributed to counter-insurgency would force a commander to think and act very differently from say a defensive war in Germany.
    It's not impluasible. They're humans, not super men and definitely not invincible.

    It doesn't matter how you do it, destroying the enemy's ability to fight is the number one priority and, that's a fact. Unless you can provide some documentation that proves that not destroying the enemy's ability to fight is a good idea. Let me save you the trouble; such documentation doesn't exist.
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    Re: Counter-Insurgency

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    And I frankly don't care enough about a petty dispute to waste time scrolling through pages of results for something like this. And you might make yourself a bit more "creible" if you spelt it right, or took the time to fix it ( something close to 7 or 8 seconds).
    "Spelt"?...
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    Re: Counter-Insurgency

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "Spelt"?...
    Here you go

    spell: Definition, Synonyms from Answers.com
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    Re: Counter-Insurgency

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not impluasible. They're humans, not super men and definitely not invincible.

    It doesn't matter how you do it, destroying the enemy's ability to fight is the number one priority and, that's a fact. Unless you can provide some documentation that proves that not destroying the enemy's ability to fight is a good idea. Let me save you the trouble; such documentation doesn't exist.
    Maybe you don't understand what I'm saying. What I am saying is that wasting time going after imported weapons, as you said we should, would be a waste of time. Trying to stop the inflow of fighters, as you said, would also be a waste of time. They are going to simply keep coming , and all we can really do is hunker down, and wait for them to come and die. Besides that, we can't really do much.
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    Re: Counter-Insurgency

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Yeah, here ya go

    Main Entry: 1spelt
    Pronunciation: \ˈspelt\
    Function: noun
    Etymology: Middle English, from Old English, from Late Latin spelta, of Germanic origin; perhaps akin to Middle High German spelte split piece of wood, Old High German spaltan to split more at split
    Date: before 12th century
    : an ancient wheat (Triticum spelta syn. T. aestivum spelta) with spikelets containing two light red grains ; also : the grain of spelt


    So, the best you can do is attack my spelling?
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    Re: Counter-Insurgency

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Maybe you don't understand what I'm saying. What I am saying is that wasting time going after imported weapons, as you said we should, would be a waste of time. Trying to stop the inflow of fighters, as you said, would also be a waste of time. They are going to simply keep coming , and all we can really do is hunker down, and wait for them to come and die. Besides that, we can't really do much.
    I would love to see the tactical doctrine that says, "hunkering down", and waiting for the enemy to come to you is a good idea.

    It's completely moronic not to attempt to interdict the flow of men and material to the enemy's area of operations. Cutting, or slowing down the enemy's line of supply is Tactics 101 stuff.
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    Re: Counter-Insurgency

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I would love to see the tactical doctrine that says, "hunkering down", and waiting for the enemy to come to you is a good idea.
    See: Meade @ Gettysburg

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    Re: Counter-Insurgency

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    See: Meade @ Gettysburg
    Sure, "Granny", Meade showed up with his thumb in his ass, but some of his division and brigade commaders took the initiative and denied the Confederates the advantage of terrain. Buford's action on the first day is still used as the textbook example of the cavalry's mission.

    If we want to use an example from the Civil War, we could use Vicksburg and Port Hudson. The Confederates hunkered down and waited for the enemy to come. Neither engagement turned out well for the Confederates.

    How did the Federals win at Prot Hudson and Vicksburg, Repeter? They denied the Confederates resupply, until the Confederates no longer had the ability to resist, due to the lack of food and ammo. You're saying that you want our forces to do the same thing in Afghanistan. Your strategy would allow the enemy to cut our line of supply.
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