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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    They dno't hav to be news casters in order to be considered worth listening to. Bill O'Reilly is no Sean Hannity or Keith Olberman however.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Classified information is on a "need to know basis". No exceptions. Moreover, simply being a congressman or senator doesn't mean one is capable of obtaining a security clearance. Congressman and senators are equally as likely if not greater to be the target of foreign espionage attempts. They are probably more susciptible to foreign espionage attempts such as blackmail and money laundering.
    Not to mention bribery... they are the best money can buy.

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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Get a hold of Keith Olberman's "Countdown" program for last night. (not sure which story it was but it was in the first 1/2 hr)

    Edit: I think this may work Countdown with Keith OlbermannCountdown with Keith Olbermann
    Keith Olberman is your idea of a source?

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    Re: Will the Liar?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    We would be justified in killing Al Quieda terrorists because they committed acts of terrorism against us. We would NOT be justified, nor has it ever been U.S. (KNOWN) policy to kill people who simply don't like us.

    Do you think we would be justified to kill people we simply disagree with, who have never actually done anything but hate us? (I'll remind you that an Al Quieda supporter is not necessarily a terrorist himself/herself. Support is a thought process, not an overt act itself)
    If you have never read George Orwell's "1984".......I suggest you do so because what you are espousing is the acceptance of real-life Orwell's "Thought Police"
    Wrong. If you supply shelter, food, information, weapons, etc. to a terrorist or enemy of the US., you are fair game... or would you like to come fight me with both hands tied behind your back? (example only, not a threat)

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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Agreed Olbermann is not a news reporter, but his producers are, and his program relies on content from NBC News, which is real news.
    So show us the "real news", not the unentertaining entertainer.

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    Re: Will the Liar?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Wrong. If you supply shelter, food, information, weapons, etc. to a terrorist or enemy of the US., you are fair game... or would you like to come fight me with both hands tied behind your back? (example only, not a threat)
    Once you "supply shelter, food, information, weapons, etc. to a terrorist or enemy of the US."......You are no longer a "Supporter"....You are an Al Quieda terrorist & thus a legitimate target.
    My background is federal law enforcement & I apply the rules of federal Conspiracy law to situations like this:

    Under federal law, to be guilty of Conspiracy, you must do 2 things:
    1. Communicate intentions to do something illegal with at least one other person..
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    2. Perform at least one overt act in furtherance of that conspiracy.

    My point is that simply being a supporter of Al Quieda would be like admiring a bank robber & thinking about robbing a bank yourself, & even telling your best friend about your intentions. (This is not a crime)

    The crime comes if you actually DO something in furtherance of that crime. That's the "Overt Act:" necessary to complete the crime of conspiracy.(something as simple as driving by the bank to check security)


    Merely supporting (mentally agreeing with) Al Quieda does not make you a terrorist, without an overt act. (doing any of the things you mentioned..supply shelter, food, information, weapons...would convert you from a mere supporter to a terrorist yourself)
    It would appear that we targeted people who had comitted no overt acts.
    Last edited by Devil505; 07-16-09 at 08:24 PM.

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    Re: Will the Liar?

    Is this thread still about the CIA?
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    Re: Will the Liar?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Would it matter to you if any of these "Impressive" kills were on totally innocent men?
    Of course it would. Got any proff that, "totally innocent", soft targets were terminated by this program?


    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I hope I'm not alone as a "non-right winger" in saying I'm damn glad we at least tried to do something like this.

    Look, this is what our government should have been doing post-911. The invasion of Iraq was a horrible mistake. But assembling teams of covert operators to go after our enemies wherever they were hiding...that was a damn good idea. Unfortunately the planning and execution seems to have been fairly poor, but in my mind I wish they would have been more successful, that they would have expanded the program, and that we would have never found out about it.

    Sword of Gideon comes to mind.

    I can't stand Cheney or Rumsfeld, not at all. But on this matter, the only thing I see they did wrong was trying to micro manage it. It should have been a joint CIA/Pentagon operation that drew upon resources from every corner. Had there been better logistical and operational planning this thing may have been a true success story that quietly protected our nation.

    Far from beating Cheney up about this specific program, we ought to be quietly applauding him for at least trying. God I feel dirty saying that.
    I'm far from being a, "non-Right Winger", but I am in total agreement with you. It's just common sense.




    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    We would be justified in killing Al Quieda terrorists because they committed acts of terrorism against us. We would NOT be justified, nor has it ever been U.S. (KNOWN) policy to kill people who simply don't like us.

    Do you think we would be justified to kill people we simply disagree with, who have never actually done anything but hate us? (I'll remind you that an Al Quieda supporter is not necessarily a terrorist himself/herself. Support is a thought process, not an overt act itself)
    If you have never read George Orwell's "1984".......I suggest you do so because what you are espousing is the acceptance of real-life Orwell's "Thought Police"
    During WW2, did we make a distinction between, "Nazis", and, "Germans"? Did we make a distinction between, "Bushidists", and, "Japanese"?

    An, "al Qaeda supporter", is just as much of a terrorist as an, "al Qaeda suicide bomber".


    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    That is the problem with drone attacks. The concept is awesome, execution is problematic. When you are trying to be precise there is no substitution for an operator on the ground with target confirmation. Logistically difficult to be sure, but the alternative often results in innocent casualties and other collateral damage.
    Collateral damage is the nature of warfare. It's as old as warfare, itself. Collateral damage in American military history goes back as far as the Civil War. Maybe farther, but I know for sure as far back as the CW.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Will the Liar?

    The problem is the plan is now revealed.
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    Re: Will the Liar?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The problem is the plan is now revealed.
    This is just one plan. Do you excuse our government for doing things that are not legal, and by that I mean ANYTHING the U.S. has done? And if so, how is that any different than Iran, or NK?

    Or do you think that ANYTHING the U.S. does is good. Just curious.

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