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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    More lethal and more impressive. Glad to hear they scored some kills.
    Would it matter to you if any of these "Impressive" kills were on totally innocent men?

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    Re: Will the Liar?

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    But note that we've been killing violent AQ leaders and sympathsizers since 9/11. That is what that whole multi-national Afghanistan force is there for. Are you saying all of the forces in Afghan are part of this assassination squad or do you just cherry pick the occasions when leaders are killed and assumel that it was the assassination squad?
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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    I hope I'm not alone as a "non-right winger" in saying I'm damn glad we at least tried to do something like this.

    Look, this is what our government should have been doing post-911. The invasion of Iraq was a horrible mistake. But assembling teams of covert operators to go after our enemies wherever they were hiding...that was a damn good idea. Unfortunately the planning and execution seems to have been fairly poor, but in my mind I wish they would have been more successful, that they would have expanded the program, and that we would have never found out about it.

    Sword of Gideon comes to mind.

    I can't stand Cheney or Rumsfeld, not at all. But on this matter, the only thing I see they did wrong was trying to micro manage it. It should have been a joint CIA/Pentagon operation that drew upon resources from every corner. Had there been better logistical and operational planning this thing may have been a true success story that quietly protected our nation.

    Far from beating Cheney up about this specific program, we ought to be quietly applauding him for at least trying. God I feel dirty saying that.
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    Re: Will the Liar?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post

    But note that we've been killing violent AQ leaders and sympathsizers since 9/11.
    We would be justified in killing Al Quieda terrorists because they committed acts of terrorism against us. We would NOT be justified, nor has it ever been U.S. (KNOWN) policy to kill people who simply don't like us.

    Do you think we would be justified to kill people we simply disagree with, who have never actually done anything but hate us? (I'll remind you that an Al Quieda supporter is not necessarily a terrorist himself/herself. Support is a thought process, not an overt act itself)
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    Re: C.I.A. Had Plan to Assassinate Qaeda Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I hope I'm not alone as a "non-right winger" in saying I'm damn glad we at least tried to do something like this.
    Really. I'm not at all sure what the issue is.

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    Re: Will the Liar?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    We would be justified in killing Al Quieda terrorists because they committed acts of terrorism against us. We would NOT be justified, nor has it ever been U.S. (KNOWN) policy to kill people who simply don't like us.

    Do you think we would be justified to kill people we simply disagree with, who have never actually done anything but hate us? (I'll remind you that an Al Quieda supporter is not necessarily a terrorist himself/herself. Support is a thought process, not an overt act itself)
    If you have never read George Orwell's "1984".......I suggest you do so because what you are espousing is the acceptance of real-life Orwell's "Thought Police"
    You mean like the attacks on Al Qaeda safe houses in Pakistan by Obama. I believe a number of innocent people have died in those drone attacks authorized by Obama. Maybe they liked us and maybe they didn't, but they certainly supported terrorists.

    Do you want Obama put on trial for these attacks??

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    Re: Will the Liar?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You mean like the attacks on Al Qaeda safe houses in Pakistan by Obama. I believe a number of innocent people have died in those drone attacks authorized by Obama. Maybe they liked us and maybe they didn't, but they certainly supported terrorists.

    Do you want Obama put on trial for these attacks??

    Our obvious intention was to kill terrorists, so I would consider those attacks legitimate. Innocent people die in every war & that is unavoidable. The obvious difference is when a country deliberately targets innocent people, or people who merely support our enemies. Once you start doing that, you are no better than the terrorists you are fighting.

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    Re: Will the Liar?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You mean like the attacks on Al Qaeda safe houses in Pakistan by Obama. I believe a number of innocent people have died in those drone attacks authorized by Obama. Maybe they liked us and maybe they didn't, but they certainly supported terrorists.

    Do you want Obama put on trial for these attacks??
    That is the problem with drone attacks. The concept is awesome, execution is problematic. When you are trying to be precise there is no substitution for an operator on the ground with target confirmation. Logistically difficult to be sure, but the alternative often results in innocent casualties and other collateral damage.
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    Re: Will the Liar?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    The obvious difference is when a country deliberately targets innocent people, or people who merely support our enemies. Once you start doing that, you are no better than the terrorists you are fighting.
    "Innocent people" and "those that support are enemies" are mutually exclusive groups, especially when the enemy is the Islamofascist terrorist.

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    Re: Will the Liar?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    "Innocent people" and "those that support are enemies" are mutually exclusive groups, especially when the enemy is the Islamofascist terrorist.
    Have to agree with you on this. If you decide to harbor Al Qaeda you've chosen a side and become part of their logistical support base.
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