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    Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding - Political News - FOXNews.com

    It's not every day that a president threatens to veto his own defense spending bill.

    But that's the rare position President Obama finds himself taking after senators made an 11th hour addition of $1.75 billion to buy seven F-22 fighter jets whose price tag has ballooned to about $350 million apiece.

    The fifth generation fighter jet has been overtaken by the newer F-35, critics argue, and Obama wants to keep with the recommendation of former President George W. Bush and cap the purchase at 187 jets.

    The president's not alone in opposing the change. He's also got the Democratic chairman of the Senate Armed Service Committee, Sen. Carl Levin, and his former GOP rival Sen. John McCain -- a war hero himself -- on his side.

    But with jobs on the line, other senators are putting up a fight for the F-22.

    Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., whose state would lose at least 2,000 jobs should the cap be imposed, pushed for the seven extra F-22's to be built.

    "While the administration is emphasizing winning current conflicts, its stance regarding the F-22 does not adequately account for other kinds of threats," Chambliss said.

    But the F-22 requires 30 hours of maintenance for every hour of flying time and costs the taxpayer about $44,000 an hour to fly, according to confidential Pentagon test results.

    First Off their should be no Cap on the F-22 this 350 Million Price tag is a bogus claim and has been all along. As for the Pentagon Report I call some real BS on this. I know for a fact that the numbers the USAF stated and what actually is in the field are far and wide try maybe 11.5 hours for every 2 hours of flight. But hey if the USAF wants to start throwing these number around then I say great lets release what the numbers are for the F-16 Block 45-65 and the F-15E Block 50 or the B-1B and B-52. Or better yet how about what the time is for 89th Airlift Wing which provide 24/7 SAM to the White House and Congress.

    As for the F-35 please that junk box want even be in active squadrons for at least 5 more years and into the Fleet for at least 6.

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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Makes sense to me. It's not popular to say it, but the military is one of the most wasteful parts of our government. If Obama can shave over a billion dollars off of the deficit by forgoing a needless expense, kudos to him.
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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Makes sense to me. It's not popular to say it, but the military is one of the most wasteful parts of our government. If Obama can shave over a billion dollars off of the deficit by forgoing a needless expense, kudos to him.
    And how many more folks would you like to put out of work huh just asking so we can have a number we can work with.

    Also would you like to go up and tell the F-15 or F-16 Pilot who is flying 25+ Year Old Aircraft that the USAF has said need to be replaced by drum roll please THE F-22 with in the next two to three years that they will not get the new plane and that they will be putting their life at a larger risk then they are now flying aircraft that have pulled major hours on the Airframe
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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    And how many more folks would you like to put out of work huh just asking so we can have a number we can work with.
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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    And how many more folks would you like to put out of work huh just asking so we can have a number we can work with.
    So you're in favor of wasting taxpayer money just to keep people on the government payroll?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89
    Also would youlike to go uo and tell the F-15 or f-16 Pilot ho is flying 25+ Year Old Aircraft that the USAF has said need to be replaced by drum roll please THE F-22 with in the next two to three years that they will not get the new plane and that they will be putting their life at a larger risk then they are now flying aircraft that have pulled major hours on the Airframe
    It sounds like military experts are saying that this is obsolete and the F-35 is better. The pilots can be retrained for the new aircraft.
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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Candidly I've always wondered why it is right to spend $300,000,000.oo to keep a pilot safer but not $1,000 to keep someone in the infantry safer? The question is not whether there is a danger to pilots, but the cost to lose ratio in relation to what makes the best defense overall? 5 slightly inferior fighter aircraft might provide more defense than 1 ultimate state of the art aircraft? There is a limit to how many hundreds of billions of dollars we can afford because pilots are 10,000 times more important than anyone else in the military.

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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It sounds like military experts are saying that this is obsolete and the F-35 is better. The pilots can be retrained for the new aircraft.
    The F-35 won't be in the field for another 5 years. Do we need something to close that gap?
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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The F-35 won't be in the field for another 5 years. Do we need something to close that gap?
    I don't know, but it sounds like the military experts in both the Defense Department and the Senate Armed Services Committee have concluded that we do not.
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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Candidly I've always wondered why it is right to spend $300,000,000.oo to keep a pilot safer but not $1,000 to keep someone in the infantry safer? The question is not whether there is a danger to pilots, but the cost to lose ratio in relation to what makes the best defense overall? 5 slightly inferior fighter aircraft might provide more defense than 1 ultimate state of the art aircraft? There is a limit to how many hundreds of billions of dollars we can afford because pilots are 10,000 times more important than anyone else in the military.
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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Candidly I've always wondered why it is right to spend $300,000,000.oo to keep a pilot safer but not $1,000 to keep someone in the infantry safer? The question is not whether there is a danger to pilots, but the cost to lose ratio in relation to what makes the best defense overall? 5 slightly inferior fighter aircraft might provide more defense than 1 ultimate state of the art aircraft? There is a limit to how many hundreds of billions of dollars we can afford because pilots are 10,000 times more important than anyone else in the military.
    If the pilot doesn't survive, that means the aircraft doesn't survive and that means that the guys on the ground won't get the air support that has meant the difference between winning and losing countless battles in the past 70 years.

    So, ultimately, the money is being spent on the infantryman who is using speed, tactics, terrain and firepower to close with the enemy and destroy him. A good portion of that firepower comes from our air forces.

    When you look at it from that reality, how can we possibly put a price tag on the equipment?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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