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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Just like in maufacturing, pilots will be replaced with drones before long, and all this controversy will be mute. Sorry Scorpion.
    No they won't you do undertsand that drone are good for some stuff but if you need to get down and dirty you need the person in the seat. The USAF found that out the hard way when they decide to Decon the SR71 and then were oh **** we need hard intel that neither the Sats or UAV could get. Hence brought the SR out of mothballs and used them till a new genration of Recon stuff could go on line.

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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Dude, you know the government gets raped on what they buy in defense. Boeing makes a freaking killing and they are moving much of their engineering development to fomer Soviet bloc states in order to get cheaper engineers and increase their profit margin, while putting Americans out of work. So do not defend DoD like it is Mother Theresa.
    It's because most defense contractors are union.
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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Dude, you know the government gets raped on what they buy in defense. Boeing makes a freaking killing and they are moving much of their engineering development to fomer Soviet bloc states in order to get cheaper engineers and increase their profit margin, while putting Americans out of work. So do not defend DoD like it is Mother Theresa.
    Actually that not true Boeing Defense has not sent anything to any Form Warsaw Block Nations yes they have spent money in Poland with Irska and in Romania with Avia but they are using the home grown work force.

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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Dude, you know the government gets raped on what they buy in defense. Boeing makes a freaking killing and they are moving much of their engineering development to fomer Soviet bloc states in order to get cheaper engineers and increase their profit margin, while putting Americans out of work. So do not defend DoD like it is Mother Theresa.
    Not in my experience with them.
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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Don't even ****ing go there okay. Go play "hijack a thread" some ****ing-where else. You know I'm getting tired of people like you coming in and ****ing up a thread with that bull**** about defense spending.
    Uhh
    Isn't this thread ABOUT waste in defense spending? You know, the topic of the thread is a major defense appropriations bill...and specifically an item in that bill that has been deemed wasteful by some?

    How exactly am I off-topic? And while you think of an answer to that, I suggest you remove the sand from your vagina and maybe take a Xanax or two.
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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The F-22 is obsolete??? Would you like to explain that? Stop the trolling about keeping people on govt payroll. That is NOT where the money is going, if you knew anything about the govt. The two fighter serve different roles.
    Gates, Mullen, Levin, and McCain (all experts on defense matters) have all concluded that no more F-22s are needed. So far I haven't heard any comparable defense experts speak up on the other side of this issue...just one senator whose state manufactures them.
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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    It appears Obama's cuts are much more worse than we feared! Everyone panic, he is cutting the most vital program in our national defense. Can we say impeach NOW?

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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Gates, Mullen, Levin, and McCain (all experts on defense matters) have all concluded that no more F-22s are needed. So far I haven't heard any comparable defense experts speak up on the other side of this issue...just one senator whose state manufactures them.
    Hmm really I guess you didn't read what I post about both Sen.Levin and McCain then huh I said they wouldn't like to see all of the 300+ Builded both are on record as saying they would like to see the number cap at 200 which the USAF ask for in 2007.

    Sect.Gate the second worst Sect of Defense we have ever had for the life of me I don't understand why Mr. Bush nominated him. With in the halls of the Pentagon he has brought the moral down to a all time low. He needs to go plain and simple. As for Joint Chief Mullen I can't really say what I feel since this is an open forum and he is my boss.

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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Although the f-22 is theoretically gives the Airforce a big technological advantage, its absurd cost is a major drawback. Honestly, at this juncture there are no good options. The f-22 has absurd unit costs, but it exists works and we have already paid for development costs. The f-35 has more reasonable costs, but isn't a deployable plaform, and could possibly end up nearly as expensive and less capable. Even choosing nothing wont help as the we need to replace worn-out airframes regardless of the procurement choice. Fact is, this whole system was screwed up years ago, and there is little that can fix it now. What really needs to happen is that we need to start to do cost-benefit analysis of military hardware. Currently, we pick whatever brings the most jobs to the senators home state and the most profits to the defense contractor.

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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Hmm really I guess you didn't read what I post about both Sen.Levin and McCain then huh I said they wouldn't like to see all of the 300+ Builded both are on record as saying they would like to see the number cap at 200 which the USAF ask for in 2007.
    Well, more recently they've both said that they don't think we need anymore than the 187 we're already slated to get.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89
    Sect.Gate the second worst Sect of Defense we have ever had for the life of me I don't understand why Mr. Bush nominated him. With in the halls of the Pentagon he has brought the moral down to a all time low. He needs to go plain and simple. As for Joint Chief Mullen I can't really say what I feel since this is an open forum and he is my boss.
    What did Gates ever do that was so horrible? I agree with you about McNamara, but Gates? The second worst ever? He wasn't even the worst SecDef in the previous administration.
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