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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So you're in favor of wasting taxpayer money just to keep people on the government payroll?
    Thank you, nice to know you, out of all people, do not favor the bailout.

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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Thank you, nice to know you, out of all people, do not favor the bailout.
    No, I do not favor a bailout of the auto industry.

    I do favor a bailout of the finance industry for reasons completely unrelated to keeping people on the government payroll. But let's stay on the subject.
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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Candidly I've always wondered why it is right to spend $300,000,000.oo to keep a pilot safer but not $1,000 to keep someone in the infantry safer?
    Simple. Pilots are harder to replace than infantry. A lesson the Japanese learned the hard way in WWII.

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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I don't know, but it sounds like the military experts in both the Defense Department and the Senate Armed Services Committee have concluded that we do not.
    No actually that is not what we in the DoD have been saying as a matter if fatc most of us have been bitching about any more cuts, You do understand that they average age of our Fighter aircraft is 27 Year and with in two year that number will jump to 31.

    Also the Senate AremedSevice Committee is against cutting the F-22 also.

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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Simple. Pilots are harder to replace than infantry. A lesson the Japanese learned the hard way in WWII.
    I think it is more like the different products have different vendors, and the plane guys have better parties and kickbacks.

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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So you're in favor of wasting taxpayer money just to keep people on the government payroll?



    It sounds like military experts are saying that this is obsolete and the F-35 is better. The pilots can be retrained for the new aircraft.

    No it's not wasting Taxpayer money you do understand for every 1 Military related Job it creates 4 more job in the private sector.

    To give you some sort of an idea how far and wide the F-22 program reaches the following types of Business are effected.

    Steel Factorys,Raw Plastic Factory,Glass Factorys,Shipping Companys,Electronic Companys,Rubber Companys.

    Then their is the Local Business that have nothing to do with the actual building of the F-22 but do rely on the workers for business, Mom and Pop Stores, Gas Stations,Restruants,Grocery Stores.

    Military Experts my arse all those folks are pencil pusher who have no idea what the difference between a F-16 Block 45/2 and a F-22 Block 10 is. As for the pilots sure I guess you have never work around or with Pilots then.

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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    No actually that is not what we in the DoD have been saying as a matter if fatc most of us have been bitching about any more cuts, You do understand that they average age of our Fighter aircraft is 27 Year and with in two year that number will jump to 31.
    According to the article, both Bob Gates and Mike Mullen have said that we don't need anymore F-22s.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89
    Also the Senate AremedSevice Committee is against cutting the F-22 also.
    It hasn't been voted on yet, so we'll see. But both the ranking Democrat (Levin) and the ranking Republican (McCain) think it's wasteful.
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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    According to the article, both Bob Gates and Mike Mullen have said that we don't need anymore F-22s.



    It hasn't been voted on yet, so we'll see. But both the ranking Democrat (Levin) and the ranking Republican (McCain) think it's wasteful.
    I've said it before and I'll say it again Sect.gate is the worst Sect of Defensive outside of Sect.McNamare we have ever had.

    As for Sen. Levin and Sen. McCain that isn't what they have actually siad on the record they are against total funding of the 359 F-22 nothing about capping at 187. Which is rather funny folks because right now on the production line is far more then the 187 airframes try about 190.

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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No, I do not favor a bailout of the auto industry.

    I do favor a bailout of the finance industry for reasons completely unrelated to keeping people on the government payroll. But let's stay on the subject.
    wait a minute! You support the bailouts, but don't support private companies taking on government contracts? A little redundant of you. Yes?
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    Re: Obama Threatens to Veto His Own Defense Bill Over F-22 Funding

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    wait a minute! You support the bailouts, but don't support private companies taking on government contracts?
    I do not support an auto bailout for the same reason I do not support wasteful military spending: I don't see any economic benefit in propping up the manufacturing industry by giving them free taxpayer money. That's true regardless of whether it's an overt giveaway in the form of a bailout, or a more subtle giveaway in the form of buying stuff we don't need from them.

    The banks are different, because credit is the lifeblood of our economy. My reasons for supporting a bank bailout have nothing to do with keeping people employed in banks, and are unrelated to the subject at hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst
    A little redundant of you. Yes?
    I don't know what word you're looking for, but I'm pretty sure it isn't redundant.
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