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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Play nice fellas!

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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Play nice fellas!
    I'm not really going to play at all. I find these threads don't allow meaningful discussion. If you take any side other then a pro Israel side, you are called a bigot.

    I just threw out the fact that the reformation of Israel was born out of propaganda.

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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    And that, folks, is how a propaganda looks like.
    How exactly is it propaganda? In hindsight, it does seem like a measurable reality that the creation of Israel has caused more damage than good.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I'm not really going to play at all. I find these threads don't allow meaningful discussion. If you take any side other then a pro Israel side, you are called a bigot.

    I just threw out the fact that the reformation of Israel was born out of propaganda.
    I haven't been called bigot .... yet and i am far from the pro israel team.

    The state of Israel came about because of many factors. Britain played a role as did the UN and we'd be lying if we said the Holocaust did not contribute


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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I'm not really going to play at all. I find these threads don't allow meaningful discussion. If you take any side other then a pro Israel side, you are called a bigot.

    I just threw out the fact that the reformation of Israel was born out of propaganda.
    I do not think you are a bigot at all. I agree that Israel was born of propaganda because Europe, nor the U.S. wanted to house those displaced after the war due to their own racism. I do feel that they deserve a home without constant threat of destruction, and it happens to currently be in Israel. But if you wish to explore the propaganda of the creation, feel free sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How exactly is it propaganda? In hindsight, it does seem like a measurable reality that the creation of Israel has caused more damage than good.
    It shapes reality in a false way and then used as a support for one of the sides in the argument.
    It's pure propaganda.
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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I haven't been called bigot .... yet and i am far from the pro israel team.

    The state of Israel came about because of many factors. Britain played a role as did the UN and we'd be lying if we said the Holocaust did not contribute
    K, but there were more than Jews killed by Hitler in the holocaust. He went after several ethnic groups, near wiped some out right? So if the Holocaust was a contributing factor, how come it didn't also spawn arguments for countries for the other ethnic groups who were systematically hunted down and killed?

    In the end, what's done is done and Israel now exists and people need to get over it an acknowledge that. But at the same accord, I don't think we need to blindly support Israel just because it's Israel. It does seem that often times critique against Israel is met with accusations of bigotry or other nonsense. It may not be all the time, but it does seem to happen in general (not localized to this board).
    Last edited by Ikari; 07-13-09 at 12:58 PM.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    It shapes reality in a false way and then used as a support for one of the sides in the argument.
    It's pure propaganda.
    So measured reality shapes reality in a false way? Interesting definition.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So measured reality shapes reality in a false way? Interesting definition.
    No, propagandist claims shape reality in a false way.
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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I do not think you are a bigot at all. I agree that Israel was born of propaganda because Europe, nor the U.S. wanted to house those displaced after the war due to their own racism. I do feel that they deserve a home without constant threat of destruction, and it happens to currently be in Israel. But if you wish to explore the propaganda of the creation, feel free sir.
    The site chosen was the worst possible site if the end game was to create a safe haven. That was just propaganda, the plan was always to reoccupy the holy land regardless of risk factors associated with life there.

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