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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    In the end, it's Britain's guns and they may do with it as they like. If they don't want to sell to Israel, they don't have to. End of story. And I don't necessarily think it to be a bad thing to watch Israel's actions, critique them, and hold Israel accountable to them. Same goes for any country.
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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    BBC NEWS | Middle East | UK cuts Israel weapons contracts



    Under pressure from Amnesty International and other groups, the UK has basically accused Israel of using their weapons to kill Palestinians in the Gaza strip, which is in violation of the terms of the agreements. Israel maintains that they never used the weapons in violation, yet the UK has still placed what many are calling a weapons embargo, on Israel. Thoughts?
    It would be lovely if we directed these apparent weapons to our soldiers who are not even equipped properly!

    Why is UK taking the word of AI over Israel?
    Unless there is some form of hard evidence that shows Israel was lying when it said it wasn't using the weapons to kill. The weapons contract stands and we honour it.

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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Now, back to our regularly scheduled topic. So, the British, those good guys who modernized the primitives and recieved no thanks, when they were not as bad looters and pillagers as the Spanish and French, are now backing away from Israel. Will other European countries do so as well, or is this simply a British reaction to domestic powers?
    There is little domestic power against Israel in UK, We don't have powerful pressure groups.
    Well i suppose the trade unions can be described as slightly biased against Israel. Demonstrated by the countless boycotts at the drop of the hat and as long as Labour is in power, that power stays as trade unions hold the purse.


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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Amnesty International has an agenda, and it isn't necessarily reducing world violence. It is only about pressuring western style democracies and looking the other way for the most part when the violence arises from other sources. They indulge in a few faux criticisms of human rights violations in the Islamic world, but these are intended as window dressing and nothing more.

    That the U.K. would succumb to such pressure is no surprise. They cater to Arab views to an enormous degree, and their level of animosity towards Israel is so widespread and of such magnitude in the U.K. that selling them anything would be wildly unpopular.
    AI has been pretty consistent actually. They have been very critical of Hamas and get accused of being agents of western imperialism as often as they are accused of being godless leftists [which is always a good sign]. If we,re going to accuse Amnesty of bias ild like to see some concrete evidence.
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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    It would be lovely if we directed these apparent weapons to our soldiers who are not even equipped properly!

    Why is UK taking the word of AI over Israel?
    Unless there is some form of hard evidence that shows Israel was lying when it said it wasn't using the weapons to kill. The weapons contract stands and we honour it.

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    What has happened to the Britain we all knew and loved?
    This is odd. I seam to remember you being very critical of what Isreal did in Gaza, and yet you seam to have no problem with Brittish weapons being involved.

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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Israel doesn't rely much on UK weapons last I checked.
    We even rely more on German and French made weapons than British ones.

    What I do find disturbing is the way the UK so easily submits to the claims of propaganda organizations.
    right....they are the ones fooled by the propoganda.

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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    right....they are the ones fooled by the propoganda.
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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    This is odd. I seam to remember you being very critical of what Isreal did in Gaza, and yet you seam to have no problem with Brittish weapons being involved.
    There is little evidence that british weapons was used apart form the say so of Amenesty International
    It seems it may be occuring because of this.
    BBC NEWS | UK | UK sued over Israeli arms sales

    I was critical of Gaza and Israel's actions but not because of the principal that Israel had the right to protect one self but because i got the feeling that the siege occured for no good reason outside of political gain. It did not manage to achieve the end it wished, remove Hamas or stop rockets. They continued falling and the death toll seemed too one sided.

    Maybe it is just me who is concerned we are bowing to pressure groups at the drop of a hat.
    If Israel says it did not use it, take its word for it unless there is undeniable evidence that it did use it.


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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    If you wish to say something just say it Joe.
    About the propaganda of how Israel needs to be formed and protected as a safe haven for their people?

    nah. I think the last 50 years has proven how wrong that piece of propaganda turned out being.

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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    About the propaganda of how Israel needs to be formed and protected as a safe haven for their people?

    nah. I think the last 50 years has proven how wrong that piece of propaganda turned out being.
    And that, folks, is how a propaganda looks like.
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