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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I am perfectly fine with criticizing one's government. That's our jobs, as responsible citizens. But, criticizing without recognition of the cultural sphere in which actions occurred is simply stupid. And, while the Brits have committed their share of negative acts, in the vast scheme of world history, they still remain a shining light. Failure to recognize this is strange.
    So you think that colonization, imperialism and the lot, have a good side for those colonized/imperialized?

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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    The French and Spanish colonized parts of America, and that turned out alright.
    The Spanish brutalized the native peoples of Mexico, Central America, South America, the Caribbean, and the U.S. in way rarely seen during history.

    And, they created a caste system in Central America and mexico that endures to this day, resulting in the catastrophic and horrific mistreatment of the indigenous peoples.
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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The Spanish brutalized the native peoples of Mexico, Central America, South America, the Caribbean, and the U.S. in way rarely seen during history.
    Yeah, the African slaves had it way easier.

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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    This is going to sound harsh, but sh*t happens, man. You take your history, you learn from it, and move on. Focusing only on the negatives done by the British empire ignores many of the brilliant positive aspects of that era.

    The fact of the matter is that the Brits, on the great scheme of things, were no less repressive, and considerably more civilized, than most of their peers in that era.

    Re: the Indians and the Irish, they're damn lucky they weren't colonized by someone else. British dealings with these nations weren't always civilized, but they beat the hell out of their peers.
    Sure but im not sure being marginally less brutal than anyone else is anything to be proud of. Ild accept that the Indians were fortunate that we wanted to withdraw [whereas France Portugal etc would only let go of their colonys after a fight] but going back to the Boer war im not sure it would be humanly possible to respond in a more brutal fashion.

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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Yeah, the African slaves had it way easier.
    You blame the BRITS for that? Way to rewrite history.

    The Spanish committed genocide against the Caribbean peoples.

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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    [QUOTE=Catz Part Deux;1058132758]The Spanish brutalized the native peoples of Mexico, Central America, South America, the Caribbean, and the U.S. in way rarely seen during history.

    And, they created a caste system in Central America and mexico that endures to this day, resulting in the catastrophic and horrific mistreatment of the indigenous peoples.[/QUOTE]

    Same in India under the British. Ever hear of untouchables?

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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Sure but im not sure being marginally less brutal than anyone else is anything to be proud of.
    In that era, those actions were normal, and viewed as necessary.

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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Same in India under the British. Ever hear of untouchables?
    You realize, don't you, that the caste system started in India around 1500 BC.

    Were the Brits colonizing India in 1500 BC?

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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    If people never spokeout against the wrongs of their countries, or the courses taken that they felt were wrong, there would not be democracy. I do not see Red Dave's comments, nor Chomsky's for that matter, as self hatred. But rather as the warning beacons of society. They look at the actions of their home nation, and as patriots, criticize what they see wrong. That is not cultural loathing, it is fighting for what one believes within the sphere of democracy.
    Criticism, alone, does not determine whether or not one is engaging in patriotism or self-loathing. It is the balance or lack thereof that deterimes such. A Patriot criticizes his country when it fails to uphold ideals, but does so fairly and with acknowlegements of what it does right. If a person is simply indulging in never ending and often times wildly distorted accusations, they are not acting as a patriot at all, especially when their accusations are hypocritical to the extreme.

    Chomsky falls quite squarely in the latter category as far as I'm concerned.
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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You blame the BRITS for that? Way to rewrite history.

    The Spanish committed genocide against the Caribbean peoples.
    So the Brits were not the biggest traders in slavery? Have you ever read about the early America's? The East India Company was government sanctioned, and one of the most brutal colonizers in the world.

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