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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Seems to be about the only way you can handle debate.
    There are many ways I can handle a debate.
    Trust me, you do not want to experience those ways.
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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I wish to devote a whole post to this quote.
    Please, Ikari, explain to me how the holocaust can be both the cause and the effect to the creation of Israel.
    I said that it was the cause, not the effect.
    Clearly the effect was the creation of Israel.
    How can the holocaust be both the cause and the effect to the creation of Israel?
    Wouldn't Israel need to be the effect?
    Is that not wrong?

    My words also do not neglect that there are other causes as well, and bigger causes too.
    You are engaged in a ridiculous try to debunk my words while only saying silly and weird stuff in the process.
    Why do you keep debating on an issue you have no understanding of?
    What is it that drives you to do that?
    I know that they always tell if you don't ask you won't know, but this is just too much.
    Quit being daft. This is nothing more than deflect. You called the holocaust the cause to the creation of Israel. You said it, not me. Sorry that you can't defend against your claim, well actually you contradicted yourself later on.

    You said the holocaust and Israel are cause and effect. Sorry, I didn't completely spell it out for you each and every time, and condensed it into cause and effect. I thought you were smart enough to have figured it out, I was wrong. Sorry, I'll keep in mind the fact that I have to hold your hand for debates. Still, the point remains. Your original post which I quoted, you did not state the Holocaust as part of the cause to Israel's creation. In fact, if you read my post (which you don't, you just pick out one line), you'll see the cause and effect laid out, so it was actually defined in text. YOU just didn't want to read it, or you ignored it, or you didn't understand it. I don't know where your failings on the issue come from, but it was all there.

    The original point stands, you called the Holocaust the cause to the effect of Israel's creation (better, am I holding your hand well enough? Did you understand that? The words weren't too big for you, were they? Certainly wouldn't want you to get lost...AGAIN). I pointed out that it wasn't the whole cause. Then you went off on a rant, but everything I commented on was based on YOUR POST. So maybe before you start pointing fingers at people, you should take the time to reread what YOU wrote.
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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    There are many ways I can handle a debate.
    Trust me, you do not want to experience those ways.
    If they are even more ignorant than the path in which you currently tread, you are correct in your assertion.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Quit being daft. This is nothing more than deflect. You called the holocaust the cause to the creation of Israel. You said it, not me. Sorry that you can't defend against your claim, well actually you contradicted yourself later on.
    Blah blah blah, I'm Ikari and I say silly stuff dahhhh.
    Now that would be being daft.
    I challenge you to show where did I call the holocaust the cause for the creation of Israel.
    With an emphasize on the word 'THE', as I clearly stated that it is 'a' cause.
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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Blah blah blah, I'm Ikari and I say silly stuff dahhhh.
    Now that would be being daft.
    I challenge you to show where did I call the holocaust the cause for the creation of Israel.
    With an emphasize on the word 'THE', as I clearly stated that it is 'a' cause.
    "blah blah blah, let me play the rhetoric game"

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    It can only be called as propaganda if one doesn't believe the holocaust existed, otherwise it's just cause and effect.
    You did not say "a" cause, you directly linked the holocaust as the cause to the effect of the creation of Israel. It wasn't till later, when I called you out on this statement, that you switched to saying it was "a" cause. But there was no "a" cause here, merely cause and effect. Your words. No one can claim propaganda into the arguments for the creation of Israel unless they think the holocaust doesn't answer, otherwise it's cause and effect. Your words. This sentence means that the holocaust is cause to the creation of Israel; that's that. That's exactly what the sentence means. Because if the holocaust isn't the FULL cause to the effect (like how I'm holding your hand, I'm learning to help ya out...you're welcome), then it can in fact be propaganda. Because the use of the holocaust in the arguments for the creation of Israel could at that point be an appeal to emotion. Which is one basis by which you can build a propaganda argument. So something in your arguments is wrong. Later, you corrected this and said that the holocaust was one of the reasons behind it, even calling it a small reason. But this original statement did not have that distinction, and in fact you were making links to it as to describe it as the full cause. If not, then propaganda can exist to push for the creation of Israel imploying the holocaust as part of the argument. If it's cause and effect, that statement implies full cause and effect that is that because the holocaust happened, the State of Israel rightfully came into being (and beyond that, even if the holocaust were somehow the full cause, I don't buy the argument. There are lots of lands historically owned by other groups of people who lost them, and we don't push for those to be returned either. I for one know that the American Indians are just screwed, sorry Charlie but they don't get their land back, just because you owned it at one time doesn't mean you have rightful claim to it today).

    Done and done. Sorry you weren't careful enough in what you wrote down. I'll keep in mind that you don't find the holocaust full cause to the effect of Israel's creation in the future, even if you do misspeak again. Just another way I'm willing to help you out. Now if you have rebuttal, you may PM me and we can handle it that way.


    [edit]I was in process of writing this when the mod posted warning, this is now dropped from public forum, sorry[/edit]
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    Re: UK cuts Israel weapons contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You did not say "a" cause, you directly linked the holocaust as the cause to the effect of the creation of Israel. It wasn't till later, when I called you out on this statement, that you switched to saying it was "a" cause. But there was no "a" cause here, merely cause and effect. Your words. No one can claim propaganda into the arguments for the creation of Israel unless they think the holocaust doesn't answer, otherwise it's cause and effect. Your words. This sentence means that the holocaust is cause to the creation of Israel; that's that. That's exactly what the sentence means. Because if the holocaust isn't the FULL cause to the effect (like how I'm holding your hand, I'm learning to help ya out...you're welcome), then it can in fact be propaganda. Because the use of the holocaust in the arguments for the creation of Israel could at that point be an appeal to emotion. Which is one basis by which you can build a propaganda argument. So something in your arguments is wrong. Later, you corrected this and said that the holocaust was one of the reasons behind it, even calling it a small reason. But this original statement did not have that distinction, and in fact you were making links to it as to describe it as the full cause. If not, then propaganda can exist to push for the creation of Israel imploying the holocaust as part of the argument. If it's cause and effect, that statement implies full cause and effect that is that because the holocaust happened, the State of Israel rightfully came into being (and beyond that, even if the holocaust were somehow the full cause, I don't buy the argument. There are lots of lands historically owned by other groups of people who lost them, and we don't push for those to be returned either. I for one know that the American Indians are just screwed, sorry Charlie but they don't get their land back, just because you owned it at one time doesn't mean you have rightful claim to it today).
    I'm sorry if I misled you, but when one is saying the term cause and effect it doesn't mean that it is the only cause, but might as well be just one of the causes.

    For example, Ikari being sick and Ikari not willing to go to work is the cause and effect, but Ikari might as well not like someone from his work.
    Ikari not liking someone from his work and Ikari not willing to go to work is cause and effect.
    See how that works out?

    Done and done. Sorry you weren't careful enough in what you wrote down. I'll keep in mind that you don't find the holocaust full cause to the effect of Israel's creation in the future, even if you do misspeak again. Just another way I'm willing to help you out.
    Why gee, thanks Ikari.
    In return, I'll show my own sign of good will and won't hold you for all the wrong things that you said in this thread.

    I was in process of writing this when the mod posted warning, this is now dropped from public forum, sorry
    To the PM then.
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