Palin says she's not leaving politics

Marilyn Monroe · Jul 14, 2009

Ikari said:
The GOP could find a paleo-conservative without all the baggage (I don't even buy Palin being that form of conservative, she runs her mouth about it, but there's relatively little to back it up besides half a governorship) and more intelligent and able to better handle the press. I don't see why people are all caught up with this woman when in most likelihood, there could be better candidates out there.

Fact is there aren't that many good candidates out there. Look at Obama's cabinet. A lot of those guys have been around, and around.

To find someone who can get the votes is very tricky. The media didn't like her, so this tells me it's because they saw someone who is intelligent and a quick learner.

Marilyn Monroe · Jul 14, 2009

jamesrage said:
She should have finished her term first. Because now she will be branded as a quitter,someone who quits when the going gets tough, or quits when something better comes along(like leaving office to pursue bigger goals).

She's not a quitter. She just did the right thing. Quitting shouldn't bother her chances. She's young.

Dr_Patrick · Jul 14, 2009

Marilyn Monroe said:
She's not a quitter. She just did the right thing. Quitting shouldn't bother her chances. She's young.

I'm afraid her opponents and many others won't see it that way and it does give them quite a bit of ammo. If she does end up going for a Presidential run it will most definitely come back to haunt her and could have a huge impact.

Oftencold · Jul 14, 2009

Catz Part Deux said:
Who decides which criticisms are legitimate? If it's Triad, he considers her a goddess and worships at her feet, suckling on her little toes. He would tolerate no criticism of the Sarahlicious.

There, there, work on those thighs, get a makeover, a new wardrobe and some therapy for that jealousy-inspired misdirected anger and one day you might be somebody's goddess, or at least a woodsprite.

In future you might want to avoid confusing admiration with worship.

While opinions on the subject vary wildly, if one needs to have concepts like "legitiamte criticisim" explained to one, one is ill advised to comment upon political issues.

In my humble, and completly admirable and correct opinion.

Ikari · Jul 14, 2009

Marilyn Monroe said:
Fact is there aren't that many good candidates out there. Look at Obama's cabinet. A lot of those guys have been around, and around.

To find someone who can get the votes is very tricky. The media didn't like her, so this tells me it's because they saw someone who is intelligent and a quick learner.

I think people don't want to look hard. Obama is full of the standard sorts of guys. How some of those people are allowed near positions of power, I'll never know. But it's the maintaining of the inner circle basically. These people have been there, and since they have been there they will be called on to continue to be there. I don't really base anything off of Obama since he is a Chicago politician.

And I think the media loves Palin. I've maybe on a handful of occasions heard her speak coherently. The rest of the time, it's like her resignation speech in which you're sitting there thinking "What the hell is she talking about?". The press loves to quote her, you don't have to do anything to make fun of the quote; it's self-fulfilling. I wouldn't describe Palin as intelligent and a quick learner. Honestly, she doesn't come off as either of those things, which is why I think the GOP would best be served by investing some time and effort looking for someone else.

Catz Part Deux · Jul 14, 2009

Marilyn Monroe said:
Fact is there aren't that many good candidates out there. Look at Obama's cabinet. A lot of those guys have been around, and around.

The issue is name recognition, not ability. There are plenty of second tier congresscritters who are, in fact, quite competent, but represent rural or suburban areas/states where they don't get as much name recognition as the urban critters.

Olene Walker, for instance, from Utah, is quite competent, and a gutsy female conservative. You hardly ever hear her name, because Utah is off the radar for many Americans.

To find someone who can get the votes is very tricky. The media didn't like her, so this tells me it's because they saw someone who is intelligent and a quick learner.

I think there are two issues. First, I think the media was blindsided by her. They are prone to a special prejudice that believes that if something is happening off of their radar, it must not be good. Since their radar only extends to Manhattan and the beltway of DC, it is limited.

The fact that Palin was an outsider, true, did not endear her to the media. However, she has enough personality and charm that she could have won them over, if she'd been given the opportunity.

Having said that, though, the media did point out some very major credibility issues with Palin that are worthy of consideration, and they weren't entirely unjustified.

Catz Part Deux · Jul 14, 2009

Oftencold said:
There, there, work on those thighs, get a makeover, a new wardrobe and some therapy for that jealousy-inspired misdirected anger and one day you might be somebody's goddess, or at least a woodsprite.

In future you might want to avoid confusing admiration with worship.

Admiration is earned. Worship is unthinking. Triad falls into the latter category.

I have no desire to be worshipped, because any worthy object of my affection would critically evaluate me and think about me in a rational way. Aka, he would ADMIRE me for my merits, versus worshipping me mindlessly. The adoration of the hopelessly stupid isn't worth much. The admiration of an honorable man is worth a great deal.

While opinions on the subject vary wildly, if one needs to have concepts like "legitiamte criticisim" explained to one, one is ill advised to comment upon political issues.

I think anyone here would need the term "legitiamte criticisim" defined. What is that, pig latin?

Catz Part Deux · Jul 14, 2009

Ikari said:
And I think the media loves Palin. I've maybe on a handful of occasions heard her speak coherently. The rest of the time, it's like her resignation speech in which you're sitting there thinking "What the hell is she talking about?". The press loves to quote her, you don't have to do anything to make fun of the quote; it's self-fulfilling. I wouldn't describe Palin as intelligent and a quick learner. Honestly, she doesn't come off as either of those things, which is why I think the GOP would best be served by investing some time and effort looking for someone else.

I think that's the problem for many of us. I very much liked her from the get-go, and everything that I read about her track record in Alaska made me like her even more. It was her own words and actions that alienated me.

I'm a bright person, and I'm intellectually curious, and I'm sorry, I simply cannot vote for someone who knows less about world affairs than I do. It's disheartening.

jamesrage · Jul 14, 2009

Marilyn Monroe said:
She's not a quitter. She just did the right thing. Quitting shouldn't bother her chances. She's young.

Resigning is just a formal way of saying you quit. The I didn't want to be a lame duck excuse will not work. The only thing the left has to do is portray he in a ad quitting for a better deal, quitting because it got to tough for her or even quitting when the next big disaster comes up. The running on she has more experience than her other opponent running **** will not work for this time because she quit. The dems will run a ad saying "When _____ faced adversity he didn't quit". The liberal media hates Palin, they will use the fact she flip flopped on the so called bridge to nowhere, McRino only picked her because she is a woman, but mostly they will use the fact she resigned/quit against her

Marilyn Monroe · Jul 14, 2009

Dr_Patrick said:
I'm afraid her opponents and many others won't see it that way and it does give them quite a bit of ammo. If she does end up going for a Presidential run it will most definitely come back to haunt her and could have a huge impact.

The Republican's need to back her up, and many times they don't back up their own. They speak the truth and they lose votes.

She quit because it was costing Alaska too much to keep her there, and because her kids were being abused. I think she'll be forgiven for quitting for those reasons.

Catz Part Deux · Jul 14, 2009

jamesrage said:
Resigning is just a formal way of saying you quit. The I didn't want to be a lame duck excuse will not work. The only thing the left has to do is portray he in a ad quitting for a better deal, quitting because it got to tough for her or even quitting when the next big disaster comes up. The running on she has more experience than her other opponent running **** will not work for this time because she quit.

Ding Ding Ding. Give James a ho-ho for getting it.

Catz Part Deux · Jul 14, 2009

Marilyn Monroe said:
The Republican's need to back her up, and many times they don't back up their own. They speak the truth and they lose votes.

She quit because it was costing Alaska too much to keep her there, and because her kids were being abused. I think she'll be forgiven for quitting for those reasons.

And the moon is made of green cheese, and George W. Bush is really, really smart.

Dr_Patrick · Jul 14, 2009

Marilyn Monroe said:
The Republican's need to back her up, and many times they don't back up their own. They speak the truth and they lose votes.

She quit because it was costing Alaska too much to keep her there, and because her kids were being abused. I think she'll be forgiven for quitting for those reasons.

I realize she had legitimate reasons for quitting. I'm just saying that many won't see it that way and will use it as ammo. It will do a significant amount of damage because many (on both sides of the political spectrum) aren't willing to look at it as logically as you are. Republicans do need to back her up, but I don't think they will because she's too much of a risk to them. They want a victory and will most likely go for what they consider to be a sure thing. Many Republicans see her as a liability.

jamesrage · Jul 14, 2009

Marilyn Monroe said:
The Republican's need to back her up, and many times they don't back up their own. They speak the truth and they lose votes.

What the republicans need to do is quit backing Rinos/liberals like McCain,ROmney and Giuliani. The republicans want to win regardless of how far they have to sellout.

She quit because it was costing Alaska too much to keep her there,

How,she was elected governor. It is not her fault if the local state representatives refuse to work with her.

and because her kids were being abused.

Who abused them,did someone beat them up? Media cracking jokes is not abuse.

I think she'll be forgiven for quitting for those reasons.

No she won't. You seem to the think the liberal media loves Palin. They hate her. At most they may pretend to love her in order to eliminate better candidates and then when the primaries are over they nail her for quitting they nail for flip flopping on the bridge to nowhere,they nail her for all kinds of other reasons.Or they might nail her before the primaries are over if there is a weaker candidate than Palin. Obama was a political nobody who won the presidency despite associating with a unrepentant terrorist and despite attending a anti-American racist church for 20 years.

disneydude · Jul 14, 2009

Reminds me of when Ross Perot quit and then decided to run again. The rationale was strikingly similar.

jallman · Jul 14, 2009

disneydude said:
Reminds me of when Ross Perot quit and then decided to run again. The rationale was strikingly similar.

No it was not and only partisan hack with misfiring neurons in his skull would think it was.:roll:

disneydude · Jul 14, 2009

jallman said:
No it was not and only partisan hack with misfiring neurons in his skull would think it was.:roll:

Perot dropped out supposedly because of the impact it was having on him and his family. That's basically what Palin's saying.

Catz Part Deux · Jul 14, 2009

Dr_Patrick said:
I realize she had legitimate reasons for quitting.

From my perspective, her quitting looks like cowardice and an admission that she is incapable of fulfilling the job. Which means she is even less qualified for the presidency than I initially thought.

Dr_Patrick · Jul 14, 2009

Catz Part Deux said:
From my perspective, her quitting looks like cowardice and an admission that she is incapable of fulfilling the job. Which means she is even less qualified for the presidency than I initially thought.

I think in general she is a bit out of her league for how cutthroat the political world is nowadays. You have to be willing to take it as much as you can dish it out. Granted, I don't think that people's family should even be involved, but they are going to use whatever they can to attack and if that includes family so be it. They are unscrupulous bastards, so you have to be one right back.

Catz Part Deux · Jul 14, 2009

Dr_Patrick said:
I think in general she is a bit out of her league for how cutthroat the political world is nowadays. You have to be willing to take it as much as you can dish it out. Granted, I don't think that people's family should even be involved, but they are going to use whatever they can to attack and if that includes family so be it. They are unscrupulous bastards, so you have to be one right back.

I wouldn't say that it requires being unscrupulous, and I'm generalizing terribly here, but I would say that being a politician requires a thicker skin than Palin has.

It's not enough to be able to kill and skin a moose, you have to be able to take a pretty harsh blow to the face, and keep on punching. Clearly, Palin lacks the stomach for that sort of thing. But, there are plenty of other women in politics who seem to do just fine.

jallman · Jul 14, 2009

disneydude said:
Perot dropped out supposedly because of the impact it was having on him and his family. That's basically what Palin's saying.

Not even close to being the same thing as Perot dropped out in the middle of an election. Palin has left office after suffering attack after attack after attack after attack after attack on her family.

You can try to portray this as the woman doing something irresponsible or having a melt down or whatever you people have planned for the asinine smear antic du jour, but the facts are the facts.

Catz Part Deux · Jul 14, 2009

jallman said:
You can try to portray this as the woman doing something irresponsible or having a melt down or whatever the you people have planned for the asinine smear antic du jour, but the facts are the facts.

Please. I'm far from a hardcore liberal, and resigning from office looks f'ing irresponsible to me, no matter how you spin it.

But then, I'm used to getting things based upon effort, not just because I'm cute and perky. Though, of course, I am cute and perky, but that's a sidebar.

Palin is the woman I worked with in the police department who had to take sick days because she was having her period.

Suck it the hell up and put on some big girl panties. Did you really think it was going to be a cake walk?

Former beauty queens...no stamina or intestinal fortitude.

They would have been better off if they'd been ugly in high school, like I was. THAT build some cojones, I'll tell you what.

disneydude · Jul 14, 2009

jallman said:
Not even close to being the same thing as Perot dropped out in the middle of an election. Palin has left office after suffering attack after attack after attack after attack after attack on her family.

You can try to portray this as the woman doing something irresponsible or having a melt down or whatever you people have planned for the asinine smear antic du jour, but the facts are the facts.

Agreed Jall....the facts are the facts. You cannot change them.

jallman · Jul 14, 2009

Catz Part Deux said:
Please. I'm far from a hardcore liberal, and resigning from office looks f'ing irresponsible to me, no matter how you spin it.

But then, I'm used to getting things based upon effort, not just because I'm cute and perky. Though, of course, I am cute and perky, but that's a sidebar.

Cute and perky did not get Palin elected governor or mayor of Wasilla despite every effort to paint it that way.

Why does everyone always hate the pretty girl?

Palin is the woman I worked with in the police department who had to take sick days because she was having her period.

No. No, she is not that woman. Palin is the woman who attended a convention ready to give birth at any time, went into labor, and flew all the way home to have the baby so that she could attend her duties. Nice try though.

Suck it the hell up and put on some big girl panties. Did you really think it was going to be a cake walk?

Former beauty queens...no stamina or intestinal fortitude.

Why does everyone hate the pretty girl?

They would have been better off if they'd been ugly in high school, like I was. THAT build some cojones, I'll tell you what.

So it really isn't about Palin and her accomplishments. It's about projecting some slight you suffered onto a woman you've never even met. :mrgreen:

jallman · Jul 14, 2009

disneydude said:
Agreed Jall....the facts are the facts. You cannot change them.

Well I am glad we are in agreement, disney. Now you can let go of your deranged fantasy that Palin and Perot are anything alike.

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