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Cheney linked to concealment of CIA briefings

That the Executive branch does not answer to the legislative branch?
I'm still waiting for him to cite the sections in the Constitution that support his assertion.
 
This is so pathetic, and so typical of Democrats.

Let's see, the economy is growing worse by the minute, unemployment is about to exceed 10 percent (it already has, but Obama is cooking the numbers), California is bankrupt, Gitmo isn't going anywhere, the stimulus isn't working, nationized healthcare is not striking a cord with people, approval numbers are dropping.....

It's time for a diversionary tactic! Let's start bitching about Bush and Cheney again. Yeah!

They have to play some slight of hand so they're not rode out of town on a rail.
 
They have to play some slight of hand so they're not rode out of town on a rail.

And if they're right?

Is the correct response to this, "Oh well it's all in the past now, we have OTHER crap that we've gt ourselves into now (AMERICANS, none of this bi-partisan bollocks) , so let's just forget about it!" ? I dunno aout how the American people feel, but I don't think people in the rest of the world like it when their leaders aren't held accountable for bad things that they do.

Seeing as America is consantly up crap creek in one way or another these days, won't EVERY attempt at settling stuff that happened in the past be seen as 'diversionary tactics'? Surely that's the premise that leaders will be free to work with in the future if this sort of stuff doesn't get thoroughly investigated now: "Let's do what we want, and then the problems that get caused by it later will just overshadow whatever we did and everyoe will forget about it! Sweet!" :confused:
 
I think some folks might want to read this new article,

Congress Authorized CIA to Develop Secret Al Qaeda Plan, Former Official Says - Political News - FOXNews.com

From the Article,

"This was not a program. It never began," the former official said. "The authority was given by Congress to develop this idea. ... There was no need to brief it. It wasn't a reality."

The former intelligence official suggested House Democrats made the demand for the sake of providing Pelosi political cover.

"If you notice, Director Panetta briefed both (the Senate and House) intelligence committees on the same day ... about the same issue. Did you hear anyone from the Senate intelligence committee say anything about it?"
 
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So Cheney can order the CIA to lie to and keep congress out of the loop.
Cheney can out CIA agents in the field.

Both for political gain....peww I think I smell fried dick.
 
Well then it would fall under the United States Supreme Court to order such thing and this will never happen US Codes are passed by Congress and can't be undone unless they go thru the Court System.

Beside do you know what US Code 50 is and what would happen if Congress tried to re-write US Code 50.

"US Code 50" refers to all of the following. Please cite the passage you believe protects the CIA from congressional oversight:

Chapter 1 - Council of National Defense
Chapter 2 - Board of Ordnance and Fortification
Chapter 3 - Alien Enemies
Chapter 4 - Espionage
Chapter 4a - Photographing, Sketching, Mapping, Etc., Defensive Installations
Chapter 4b - Disclosure of Classified Information
Chapter 4c - Atomic Weapons and Special Nuclear Materials Information Rewards
Chapter 5 - Arsenals, Armories, Arms, and war Material Generally
Willful Destruction, Etc., of war or National-defense Material
Chapter 7 - Interference With Homing Pigeons Owned by United States
Chapter 8 - Explosives; Manufacture, Distribution, Storage, Use, and Possession Regulated
Chapter 9 - Aircraft
Chapter 10 - Helium gas
Acquisition of and Expenditures on Land for National-defense Purposes
Chapter 12 - Vessels in Territorial Waters of United States
Chapter 13 - Insurrection
Chapter 14 - Wartime Voting by Land and Naval Forces
Chapter 15 - National Security
Chapter 16 - Defense Industrial Reserves
Chapter 17 - Arming American Vessels
Air-warning Screen
Chapter 19 - Guided Missiles
Chapter 20 - Wind Tunnels
Chapter 21 - Abacaae1 Production
Chapter 22 - Uniform Code of Military Justice
Chapter 22a - Representation of Armed Forces Personnel Before Foreign Judicial Tribunals
Chapter 23 - Internal Security
Chapter 24 - National Defense Facilities
Chapter 25 - Armed Forces Reserve
Chapter 26 - Gifts for Defense Purposes
Chapter 27 - Reserve Officer Personnel Program
Chapter 28 - Status of Armed Forces Personnel Appointed to Service Academies
Chapter 29 - National Defense Contracts
Chapter 30 - Federal Absentee Voting Assistance
Chapter 31 - Advisory Commission on Intergovernmental Relations
Chapter 32 - Chemical and Biological Warfare Program
Chapter 33 - war Powers Resolution
Chapter 34 - National Emergencies
Chapter 35 - International Emergency Economic Powers
Chapter 36 - Foreign Intelligence Surveillance
Chapter 37 - National Security Scholarships, Fellowships, and Grants
Chapter 38 - Central Intelligence Agency Retirement and Disability
Chapter 39 - Spoils of war
Chapter 40 - Defense Against Weapons of Mass Destruction
Chapter 41 - National Nuclear Security Administration
 
"US Code 50" refers to all of the following. Please cite the passage you believe protects the CIA from congressional oversight:

Chapter 1 - Council of National Defense
Chapter 2 - Board of Ordnance and Fortification
Chapter 3 - Alien Enemies
Chapter 4 - Espionage
Chapter 4a - Photographing, Sketching, Mapping, Etc., Defensive Installations
Chapter 4b - Disclosure of Classified Information
Chapter 4c - Atomic Weapons and Special Nuclear Materials Information Rewards
Chapter 5 - Arsenals, Armories, Arms, and war Material Generally
Willful Destruction, Etc., of war or National-defense Material
Chapter 7 - Interference With Homing Pigeons Owned by United States
Chapter 8 - Explosives; Manufacture, Distribution, Storage, Use, and Possession Regulated
Chapter 9 - Aircraft
Chapter 10 - Helium gas
Acquisition of and Expenditures on Land for National-defense Purposes
Chapter 12 - Vessels in Territorial Waters of United States
Chapter 13 - Insurrection
Chapter 14 - Wartime Voting by Land and Naval Forces
Chapter 15 - National Security
Chapter 16 - Defense Industrial Reserves
Chapter 17 - Arming American Vessels
Air-warning Screen
Chapter 19 - Guided Missiles
Chapter 20 - Wind Tunnels
Chapter 21 - Abacaae1 Production
Chapter 22 - Uniform Code of Military Justice
Chapter 22a - Representation of Armed Forces Personnel Before Foreign Judicial Tribunals
Chapter 23 - Internal Security
Chapter 24 - National Defense Facilities
Chapter 25 - Armed Forces Reserve
Chapter 26 - Gifts for Defense Purposes
Chapter 27 - Reserve Officer Personnel Program
Chapter 28 - Status of Armed Forces Personnel Appointed to Service Academies
Chapter 29 - National Defense Contracts
Chapter 30 - Federal Absentee Voting Assistance
Chapter 31 - Advisory Commission on Intergovernmental Relations
Chapter 32 - Chemical and Biological Warfare Program
Chapter 33 - war Powers Resolution
Chapter 34 - National Emergencies
Chapter 35 - International Emergency Economic Powers
Chapter 36 - Foreign Intelligence Surveillance
Chapter 37 - National Security Scholarships, Fellowships, and Grants
Chapter 38 - Central Intelligence Agency Retirement and Disability
Chapter 39 - Spoils of war
Chapter 40 - Defense Against Weapons of Mass Destruction
Chapter 41 - National Nuclear Security Administration

Chapter 4B,23 and 36

Also as I have stated the CIA/NSC/NSA/DoD only have to report to the Gang of Eight that is all by the Law.
 
Chapter 4B,23 and 36

Also as I have stated the CIA/NSC/NSA/DoD only have to report to the Gang of Eight that is all by the Law.

I do not find the details of those citations, please link them if you can.
The problem with this assasination program is that it was not reported to the "gang of 8" and the incoming administration was not informed of its existence. I don't think any of the US Codes protect Cheney on that.
 
I do not find the details of those citations, please link them if you can.
The problem with this assasination program is that it was not reported to the "gang of 8" and the incoming administration was not informed of its existence. I don't think any of the US Codes protect Cheney on that.

Yes Congress was briefed if you bother to go and read the three different article about it. It was stated that 1 Congress was told about it right after 9/11 2 It never got off the drawning board hence Congress didn't need to know about it.

Question do you know how many different idea's get kicked around at CIA Headquaters that never get pass the discussion stage.

As for what and if Mr.Cheney ever told certain CIA Officials not to tell Congress we will all have wait and see if that is true but I would like to point out from the get go Mr. Bush said that we would use all aviable items to go after Al Quada and one other thing the President and Vic President can under Ex. Priv. instruct for items to be keep from Congress because of National Security Reasons.
 
Does anyone else find it strange that the adm. chooses to bring up the Cheney thing again, after they have already said it's a non-starter? IMO, this will take the MSM out of the stories about Pelosi and the financial crisis that Obama is increasing every day. Please don't forget this adm. comes from Chicago.
 
Yes Congress was briefed if you bother to go and read the three different article about it. It was stated that 1 Congress was told about it right after 9/11 2 It never got off the drawning board hence Congress didn't need to know about it.

Question do you know how many different idea's get kicked around at CIA Headquaters that never get pass the discussion stage.

As for what and if Mr.Cheney ever told certain CIA Officials not to tell Congress we will all have wait and see if that is true but I would like to point out from the get go Mr. Bush said that we would use all aviable items to go after Al Quada and one other thing the President and Vic President can under Ex. Priv. instruct for items to be keep from Congress because of National Security Reasons.

Excuse me, the DCI just learned of this operation and briefed Congress FOR THE FIRST TIME last week. If it was "in the discussion stage" it wouldn't be an operation and wouldn't have to be closed down.
I'm still waiting for you to find the US Code that exonerates Cheney.
 
Excuse me, the DCI just learned of this operation and briefed Congress FOR THE FIRST TIME last week. If it was "in the discussion stage" it wouldn't be an operation and wouldn't have to be closed down.
I'm still waiting for you to find the US Code that exonerates Cheney.

Wrong in Sept of 2001 Mr. Bush made a public comment that we(United States) was going to hunt down the leaders of Al Quada and that this was going to be done both in the open and by covert ways. The CIA Brief Congress on programs that they were looking at. So yes Congress and the Gang of Eight were told about this program.

As for Mr Cheney I told you already Ex. Priv end of discussion on that front I suggest before you make another post about Mr Cheney you go and read up on Ex. Priv.
 
Wrong in Sept of 2001 Mr. Bush made a public comment that we(United States) was going to hunt down the leaders of Al Quada and that this was going to be done both in the open and by covert ways. The CIA Brief Congress on programs that they were looking at. So yes Congress and the Gang of Eight were told about this program.

As for Mr Cheney I told you already Ex. Priv end of discussion on that front I suggest before you make another post about Mr Cheney you go and read up on Ex. Priv.

Look, don't try using the President making an ambiguous comment in a press statement the same as informing Congress. :roll:
 
Look, don't try using the President making an ambiguous comment in a press statement the same as informing Congress. :roll:

But I'm not the GAng of Eight was brief either the same day or a few days later by the CIA on what they plan on doing. It's in one of the many article out their on this topic.
 
But I'm not the GAng of Eight was brief either the same day or a few days later by the CIA on what they plan on doing. It's in one of the many article out their on this topic.

Then why did DCI just find out about it?
 
Then why did DCI just find out about it?

The only one that is screaming is Speaker Peliso do you hear any other members of the Gang of Eight past or present making any comment s No you don't. It is a well know fact that Speaker Peliso didn't attend many of the CIA brief instead she would send a rep who would have to leave when certain items were discussed.
 
The only one that is screaming is Speaker Peliso do you hear any other members of the Gang of Eight past or present making any comment s No you don't. It is a well know fact that Speaker Peliso didn't attend many of the CIA brief instead she would send a rep who would have to leave when certain items were discussed.
Lazy bitch. :mrgreen:
 
AP sources: House lays groundwork for CIA probe - Yahoo! News
WASHINGTON – The House Intelligence Committee has asked the CIA to provide documents about the now-canceled program to kill al-Qaida leaders, congressional officials said Tuesday. The agency spent at least $1 million on the eight-year program before it was terminated last month, one congressional official said. Intelligence officials say the operation never progressed beyond a planning stage.

The CIA said Tuesday that the agency would cooperate in the House move, a precursor to what would likely become a full-blown investigation into the secret operation and why the program was not disclosed to Congress. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

CIA Director Leon Panetta, meanwhile, ordered a thorough internal review, agency spokesman George Little said.

Panetta told Congress on June 24 that he had canceled the effort to kill al-Qaida leaders with hit teams soon after learning about the operation. Panetta also told lawmakers that former Vice President Dick Cheney directed the CIA not to inform Congress of the specifics of the secret program.

So basically you got the CIA pulling the greatest mickey fickey of all times. They go public with destroying evidence. Then add that its just a little bit. Only a few tapes. Disinfo? Now you have them admitting there was a program and we have been lying for years. But it was just a little bitty program.
I wanna know the secret operation name that is strictly devoted to minimizing blowback and making everything seem smaller than it really is. And it better sound cool.
 
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$1 million spent on a program that never got passed the planning stage in 8 years???

That program should have been cut 2 years into it.

And in todays word smithed media you only get the absolute minimum of the publicly released figures.
 
The only one that is screaming is Speaker Peliso do you hear any other members of the Gang of Eight past or present making any comment s No you don't. It is a well know fact that Speaker Peliso didn't attend many of the CIA brief instead she would send a rep who would have to leave when certain items were discussed.

I don't think you have been following the news for the past 3 days. Get back to me when you are up to speed.
 
Diversionary tactic.

Look at the CIA!....Pay no attention to the taxes I am about to lay upside your head.--Pelosi

Message from the Director: Turning Down the Volume

Statement to Employees by Director of the Central Intelligence Agency


There is a long tradition in Washington of making political hay out of our business. It predates my service with this great institution, and it will be around long after I’m gone. But the political debates about interrogation reached a new decibel level yesterday when the CIA was accused of misleading Congress.

Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing “the enhanced techniques that had been employed.” Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened.

My advice—indeed, my direction—to you is straightforward: ignore the noise and stay focused on your mission. We have too much work to do to be distracted from our job of protecting this country.

We are an Agency of high integrity, professionalism, and dedication. Our task is to tell it like it is—even if that’s not what people always want to hear. Keep it up. Our national security depends on it.

Leon E. Panetta


I really had my doubts about this guy but I am starting to see some common ground.




Are any of these guys worried about the state of the economy right now?


As long as they are wasting time trying to politically assassinate each other they are not screwing us at least.
 
Does anyone else find it strange that the adm. chooses to bring up the Cheney thing again, after they have already said it's a non-starter? IMO, this will take the MSM out of the stories about Pelosi and the financial crisis that Obama is increasing every day. Please don't forget this adm. comes from Chicago.

Wow. How enlightening. Wow.

NOT.
 
I don't think you have been following the news for the past 3 days. Get back to me when you are up to speed.
If though you're up, you didn't add anything worthwhile. Carry on.
 
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