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    Re: Oklahoma executes man who murdered two campers

    Quote Originally Posted by Glowfish View Post
    Why are people on this forum so against the idea of JUST "common sense"?
    Just common sense is the notion that the price for a life should be a life.

    Just common sense says that the would be recidivist can't embark on his career when he's dead.

    Just common sense says that the current problem with the failure of capital punishment to deter crimes is the flocks of vultures profitting from preserving the convict's useless criminal life for no reason whatsoever except for their own lust to be paid.

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    Re: Oklahoma executes man who murdered two campers

    Actually, while the theoretical approach to capital punishment's "deterrence" effect seems plausible, it seems that sound empirical research into the deterrence effect of capital punishment seems somewhat problematic. For example, Zimmerman's Estimates of the Deterrent Effect of Alternative Execution Methods in the United States: 1978-2000 notes that "[t]he empirical estimates suggest that the deterrent effect of capital punishment is driven primarily by executions conducted by electrocution. None of the other four methods of execution (lethal injection, gas chamber asphyxiation, hanging, and/or firing squad) are found to have a statistically significant impact on the per capita incidence of murder." That doesn't seem to be at all a sound conclusion, which indicates that there are methodological deficiencies present in the existing empirical research that corrupt the accuracy of their findings.

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    Re: Oklahoma executes man who murdered two campers

    Fine.

    Then we install guillotines and whack their heads off, and put it on cable for all to see, if that's what's needed.

    I've no objections.

    Or a wood chipper or a steam roller or we can do the Cask of Amontillado thing from Poe.

    Clearly what's needed are more executions, with varied methods in the various states, to determine which methods produced the greatest deterrent effect in a scientific manner.

    I don't really care how Jose Avilla is executed, so long as he's eradicated soon.

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    Re: Oklahoma executes man who murdered two campers

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Actually, while the theoretical approach to capital punishment's "deterrence" effect seems plausible, it seems that sound empirical research into the deterrence effect of capital punishment seems somewhat problematic. For example, Zimmerman's Estimates of the Deterrent Effect of Alternative Execution Methods in the United States: 1978-2000 notes that "[t]he empirical estimates suggest that the deterrent effect of capital punishment is driven primarily by executions conducted by electrocution. None of the other four methods of execution (lethal injection, gas chamber asphyxiation, hanging, and/or firing squad) are found to have a statistically significant impact on the per capita incidence of murder." That doesn't seem to be at all a sound conclusion, which indicates that there are methodological deficiencies present in the existing empirical research that corrupt the accuracy of their findings.

    I think the problem is inconsistency of the punishments. Sometimes you'll get the death penalty and sometimes you get life. Then there is the fact they are granted a lot of appeals. If someone was convicted with solid evidence then there is no reason we should wait 10 years after that person was convicted for his sentence to take place.
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    Re: Oklahoma executes man who murdered two campers

    Ten years is short.

    Most convicts on Death Row die of old age, not deliberate state intent.

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    Re: Oklahoma executes man who murdered two campers

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Ten years is short.

    Most convicts on Death Row die of old age, not deliberate state intent.
    I am sure in liberal states like California where most of the population feels sorry scum that is true. Ten years is still a long time.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Oklahoma executes man who murdered two campers

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, while I do have a problem with the death penalty for several reasons, the main one being that, occasionally, an innocent is executed, I don't really have a problem with it being applied here. Want to know why the attorney for Michael Delozier, the defendant, claimed he should not be put to death?
    No one ever said the system was perfect.

    I fully support the death penalty. Especially for people that blame their poor me BS on someone else. Screw them, and their leftist attorney.

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    Re: Oklahoma executes man who murdered two campers

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So it is idiotic to be sitting there like a little ignorant idiot teenager saying in a little girl voice or stoner pothead voice "Its hypocritical because it saying if you kill,we will kill you"
    This is what you've got? Puerile personal attacks? Certainly says something about your position.
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    Re: Oklahoma executes man who murdered two campers

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am sure in liberal states like California where most of the population feels sorry scum that is true. Ten years is still a long time.
    I'm just saying.

    My own opinion says that six months is a really long time to go between sentencing and execution.

    How long does it take to go over the trial transcripts and see where a real violation of procedure happened, as opposed to the phony ones the lawyes dig up over the course of the typical multi-decadal appeal process?

    Shouldn't take longer than a few months, and the sentence shouldn't be withheld just because it turns out that the convict's mommy didn't give him a birthday cake.

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    Re: Oklahoma executes man who murdered two campers

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Again, any actual empirical research that indicates any "lack of discipline" or that corporal punishment would alleviate that problem if it did exist, or is that more of your good ole' "common sense"?

    Yep.

    Common sense.

    And people like you are the cause of why common sense isn't so common anymore.
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