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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Are the respective ecosystems going to protect themselves? How can anybody reasonably conclude that this won't create jobs?

    Even "pork" like building a bridge to nowhere creates jobs.

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Are the respective ecosystems going to protect themselves? How can anybody reasonably conclude that this won't create jobs?

    Even "pork" like building a bridge to nowhere creates jobs.
    So would paying people to sit in a room and look at the wall.

    The point is that this is not the type of thing that the stimulus package was touted as covering.
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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed View Post
    I consider it stimulus spending but questionable on economic growth potential. It's difficult to determine what potential it has until the project is completed. Given the species of fish that it will benefit it's possible that it can be developed for recreational use such as sport fishing which usually generates good revenue. I haven't read anything about the long term use of the area in question yet. The long term jobs it creates could be the long term management and maintenance of the projects.
    Ah, com'on! This argument truly is weak.

    Essentially what is being said is: "Well, I don't know how many jobs the money will create, I don't know what economic potential it has, I don't know what species it will help, I don't know what the long term use is going to be, but because it is "eco friendly" we ought to pay for it."

    Meanwhile, one of the Senator's from California (you know the one who is really proud of being a Senator and expects all to refer to her using only the formal appelation "Senator") is saying: "If the Senate doesn't pass a bill to cut global warming, there will be dire results: droughts, floods, fires, loss of species, damage to agriculture, worsening air pollution and more."

    So my question is, why would we want to throw good money after bad for these cute little mices in the wetlands, until after the Senate passes this Senator's bill, cause if her bill don't pass, they are going to perish anyway!

    Isn't it strange that we can predict catastrophy and mayhem 96 months from now (according to Prince Charles) but we can't state explicitly the value of a $16Million project starting in a couple of months.

    Man, this is getting more and more out of control by the minute.

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Are the respective ecosystems going to protect themselves? How can anybody reasonably conclude that this won't create jobs?

    Even "pork" like building a bridge to nowhere creates jobs.
    Where does the money to pay for these jobs come from?

    Your inability to look past direct benefits clouds your economic thinking.

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Even "pork" like building a bridge to nowhere creates jobs.
    Not really. Japan's "Lost Decade" puts that canard down for the count. Japan built all manner of bridges to nowhere, somewhere, and everywhere, with little lasting employment to show for it.

    Merely building a bridge is a temporary job. If the bridge is of no benefit, the jobs "created" during its construction evaporate upon completion. Monies are spent, but without lasting impact. The technical term for that is "waste."

    People need jobs that last. They need work to do today, but also to do the day after next year.

    The temporary jobs from bridges to nowhere are temporary work for today that will deny people work for that day after next year. They are the crack cocaine of employment--good while they last, but the letdown leaves people worse off than before.

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Are the respective ecosystems going to protect themselves? How can anybody reasonably conclude that this won't create jobs?

    Even "pork" like building a bridge to nowhere creates jobs.
    Is it going to create enough jobs to make it worth spending the money?
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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is it going to create enough jobs to make it worth spending the money?
    Nope. A moment's reflection is all that should be required to establish that a bridge to nowhere can never create enough jobs--especially of the permanent variety--to justify the expenditure.

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Nope. A moment's reflection is all that should be required to establish that a bridge to nowhere can never create enough jobs--especially of the permanent variety--to justify the expenditure.
    It was a rhetorical question...LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It was a rhetorical question...LOL!
    If only it were. Unfortunately, the economic "geniuses" foisting their stimulus nonsense on the American taxpayers make substantially that argument--that bridges to nowhere and similar pork do create enough jobs to justify the spending.

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by atomsNvoid View Post
    Ah, com'on! This argument truly is weak.
    That's possible, but not because of any conflicting facts you have presented to challenge it.

    Essentially what is being said is: "Well, I don't know how many jobs the money will create, I don't know what economic potential it has, I don't know what species it will help, I don't know what the long term use is going to be, but because it is "eco friendly" we ought to pay for it."
    Actually, if you took the time to read my previous comments in this thread you would have seen where I addressed each of the points you just mentioned.

    Meanwhile, one of the Senator's from California (you know the one who is really proud of being a Senator and expects all to refer to her using only the formal appelation "Senator") is saying: "If the Senate doesn't pass a bill to cut global warming, there will be dire results: droughts, floods, fires, loss of species, damage to agriculture, worsening air pollution and more."
    That isn't relevant to this project, which isn't even in her district, and GW wasn't a factor in it's selection that I'm aware of.

    So my question is, why would we want to throw good money after bad for these cute little mices in the wetlands, until after the Senate passes this Senator's bill, cause if her bill don't pass, they are going to perish anyway!
    This project isn't species specific, and the mouse isn't even mentioned in the legislation. The mouse and the wetland habitat it shares with other endangered species was in trouble a long time before this stimulus package was a concept. Authorization for the project wasn't chosen by a Senator, it was selected by the NOAA selection process, which included competitive bidding.

    Isn't it strange that we can predict catastrophy and mayhem 96 months from now (according to Prince Charles) but we can't state explicitly the value of a $16Million project starting in a couple of months.
    The value of the project has been explained in my previous posts if you care to look, which includes some of the benefits of it.

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