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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It doesn't take alotta research to figure out that this is just another prime example that the, "Stimulus", Package was nothing more than funding for every Liberal wet dream that's been dreamed up over the past 30 years.
    Not every one. To be fair, they didn't push UHC through on this accord.
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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It doesn't take alotta research to figure out that this is just another prime example that the, "Stimulus", Package was nothing more than funding for every Liberal wet dream that's been dreamed up over the past 30 years.
    I'm not going to jump on that bandwagon until I know more about these projects and the long term impact they have. I also don't think that it's just Liberal's wet dreams coming true. I believe the Republicans had a few of those wet dreams in this stimulus package too.

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

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    How many lasting jobs are created by this expenditure?

    How what contribution to economic growth is made by this expenditure?

    If the answers to these questions are "none", why is this expenditure contained in a piece of legislation whose stated purposes are job creation and economic growth?
    Because you know just as well as I that government spending does not lead to economic growth. Government knows that too, and this is just another manifestation of that. This was nothing more than a list of pet projects.

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Not every one. To be fair, they didn't push UHC through on this accord.
    There's a lot more emotion and spending associated with that though. I'm glad that at least it's not getting rushed through like everything else that seemingly gets rammed through today.

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Not every one. To be fair, they didn't push UHC through on this accord.
    No, of course not every wet dream. There's not enough money in the world to do that. Most, however.



    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed View Post
    I also don't think that it's just Liberal's wet dreams coming true. I believe the Republicans had a few of those wet dreams in this stimulus package too.
    Such as? No doubt there are some, but what are they?
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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Meanwhile, across the bay, Oakland is planning on a "mass layoff" of 140 police officers from its staff of 800 officers. Oakland has long had a crime problem that this action will not help.

    I have nothing against cute little varmits, but this sure doesn't strike me as wise or defensible.

    Here is the article about the Oakland Police:

    Cuts to Police Force Test a Safer Oakland - WSJ.com

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    How many jobs does protecting an ecosystem produce?
    The exact number won't be known until this fall when the project is scheduled to begin. NOAA’s Perry Gayaldo had this to say about it:

    The landscape and hydrology requires teams of workers.

    “You need engineers to figure out where to break down the levies to get the water in,” Gayaldo said. “You need fishery biologists to help determine what the habitat needs to look like.”

    Gayaldo adds that botanists will be employed to decide what sort of vegetation is necessary. And they’ll need to hire heavy equipment operators to run shovels and backhoes to move earth. Crane operators are required to lift and position gigantic steel culverts to contour the water flow.
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    What is the economic growth realized from ecosystem protection?[/QUOTE]

    I believe that could be accomplished at least in part through long term management of the ecosystem. Another aspect to the project is it benefits steelhead trout, Chinook salmon and smelt which could offer recreational value also.

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    How many jobs does protecting an ecosystem produce?
    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed View Post
    The exact number won't be known until this fall when the project is scheduled to begin. NOAA’s Perry Gayaldo had this to say about it:
    All well and good, but doesn't this underscore the point that this project is not stimulative spending, and while it may be justifiable on other grounds, has no business being included in legislation presumably oriented towards stimulating the economy?

    This particular program may only cost $16Million, but that's $16 million that is not being spent on creating jobs. That's $16 million that is not repairing roads and bridges. That's $16 million that is being borrowed and essentially wasted.

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    What is the economic growth realized from ecosystem protection?
    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed View Post
    I believe that could be accomplished at least in part through long term management of the ecosystem. Another aspect to the project is it benefits steelhead trout, Chinook salmon and smelt which could offer recreational value also.
    I believe that is a whole lot of words to say "nobody knows."

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Such as? No doubt there are some, but what are they?
    It seems both sides of the aisle are lobbying the hell out of the departments who are holding the purse strings . I found this article from May that gives a bit of insight into personal requests.

    Ten of 27 departments and agencies receiving stimulus money have released records of contacts by lawmakers under Freedom of Information Act requests USA TODAY filed in April. Those records detailed 53 letters, phone calls and e-mails recommending projects from 60 members from February through the end of May. Thirteen of those lawmakers voted against the stimulus package.
    Stimulus spending spawns requests - USATODAY.com

    I take it that the 13 of 53 requests mentioned were Republicans, but it might be a bit too soon to get a clear picture of who gets what. With so much of the funds not allocated yet it hard to tell who gets what. Even the definition of what is considered a pet project is debatable at this point. I also noticed that all the departments haven't released records yet.

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    All well and good, but doesn't this underscore the point that this project is not stimulative spending, and while it may be justifiable on other grounds, has no business being included in legislation presumably oriented towards stimulating the economy?
    I consider it stimulus spending but questionable on economic growth potential. It's difficult to determine what potential it has until the project is completed. Given the species of fish that it will benefit it's possible that it can be developed for recreational use such as sport fishing which usually generates good revenue. I haven't read anything about the long term use of the area in question yet. The long term jobs it creates could be the long term management and maintenance of the projects.

    This particular program may only cost $16Million, but that's $16 million that is not being spent on creating jobs. That's $16 million that is not repairing roads and bridges. That's $16 million that is being borrowed and essentially wasted.
    I outlined the jobs this project would create in an earlier post. These wetland projects were prioritized. If they were to kick the can down the road on this project it could very well be too late to reverse the damage already done, and it's shovel ready.

    I don't think the price of this project will detract significant money from the funds they allocated to roads and bridges. That will be funded though money from the stimulus package, plus states already had money allocated for some of these repairs prior to funds they will get from the government.

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