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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

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    Is that when the world comes to an end?
    I have no idea if it is or not, but it could be the point where the ecosystem in question becomes uninhabitable, becoming nothing more than a leach field for the sewage systems that seems to be one of the major contributors to it's demise. An ecosystem that we, the taxpayer, are obligated to protect.

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed View Post
    I have no idea if it is or not, but it could be the point where the ecosystem in question becomes uninhabitable, becoming nothing more than a leach field for the sewage systems that seems to be one of the major contributors to it's demise. An ecosystem that we, the taxpayer, are obligated to protect.
    How many jobs does protecting an ecosystem produce?

    What is the economic growth realized from ecosystem protection?

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Does anyone remember when the Dems swore up-n-down that there no money alocated for the marsh mouse?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed View Post
    I have no idea if it is or not, but it could be the point where the ecosystem in question becomes uninhabitable, becoming nothing more than a leach field for the sewage systems that seems to be one of the major contributors to it's demise. An ecosystem that we, the taxpayer, are obligated to protect.
    How's about we wait until we know, before we throw money at something like this in the middle of the worst economic slump in 80 years?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    How many jobs does protecting an ecosystem produce?

    What is the economic growth realized from ecosystem protection?
    It's not a requirement that environmental programs add directly to the economy for them to still be a positive program. It can add indirectly by allowing people to successfully populate the region.

    As for the mouse project. Protecting a wetland around San Fransisco bay is quite larger then just protecting a single species. The wetlands close to my home have mice too. Along with hundreds of different species of birds and plants. Some of them unique to only the location.
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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    It's not a requirement that environmental programs add directly to the economy for them to still be a positive program. It can add indirectly by allowing people to successfully populate the region.
    If the spending is not directly stimulative to the economy, why is it found in legislation meant to directly stimulate the economy?

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    If the spending is not directly stimulative to the economy, why is it found in legislation meant to directly stimulate the economy?
    Because if you attach such spending, to an economic stimulus bill, and everybody does it as well with other projects, it can avoid much needed scrutiny. Also, because of the "dire" need for economic stimulus, this attachment will likely get passed.

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed View Post
    It seems some elephants really are scared of mice.

    The mouse in question is nothing more than a convenient political scapegoat. According to Republicans back in February it was a $30 million mouse, but due to a downturn in the economy it seems to have depreciated to $16.1 million.

    Since this mouse is protected by the Endangered Species Act, the government has a legal requirement to help it, and in the process a 1,990 acre ecosystem benefits as well. The ecosystem in question was originally 164,000 acres, but if something isn't done asap there won't even be anything to restore.
    But is that "stimulus"? Not as far as i am considered. A separate spending bill should have been implemented for such pork... er.... mouse
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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    How many jobs does protecting an ecosystem produce?

    What is the economic growth realized from ecosystem protection?
    Those are good questions. Unfortunately I don't know enough about this particular project to have an answer yet, but I'm trying to find out. I'd like to know as well.

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    Re: GOP hits Pelosi for mouse funds

    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed View Post
    Those are good questions. Unfortunately I don't know enough about this particular project to have an answer yet, but I'm trying to find out. I'd like to know as well.
    It doesn't take alotta research to figure out that this is just another prime example that the, "Stimulus", Package was nothing more than funding for every Liberal wet dream that's been dreamed up over the past 30 years.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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