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    Dispute over flag protest erupts in Wisc. village

    Dispute over flag protest erupts in Wisc. village | Comcast.net

    WAUSAU, Wis. — An American flag flown upside down as a protest in a northern Wisconsin village was seized by police before a Fourth of July parade and the businessman who flew it — an Iraq war veteran — claims the officers trespassed and stole his property. A day after the parade, police returned the flag and the man's protest — over a liquor license — continued.

    The American Civil Liberties Union of Wisconsin is considering legal action against the village of Crivitz for violating Vito Congine Jr.'s' First Amendment rights, Executive Director Chris Ahmuty said.

    "It is not often that you see something this blatant," Ahmuty said.

    In mid-June, Congine, 46, began flying the flag upside down — an accepted way to signal distress — outside the restaurant he wants to open in Crivitz, a village of about 1,000 people some 65 miles north of Green Bay.

    He said his distress is likely bankruptcy because the village board refused to grant him a liquor license after he spent nearly $200,000 to buy and remodel a downtown building for an Italian supper club.

    Congine's upside-down-flag represents distress to him; to others in town, it represents disrespect of the flag.

    Hours before a Fourth of July parade, four police officers went to Congine's property and removed the flag under the advice of Marinette County District Attorney Allen Brey.

    Great another Violation of 1st Adm. hmmm if it was me the mayor and the Police officer involve would be lossing their jobs very quickley.

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    Re: Dispute over flag protest erupts in Wisc. village

    I would say the defense is a good offense against the Village Idiots who denied the license by running for office and promising to do everything he can to have the police chief fired and also I would let the ACLU handle a law suit, even though I can't stand them.
    This is not the only case that needs attention.
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    Greensboro store flying flag upside down prompts angry complaints
    Greensboro store flying flag upside down prompts angry complaints : News-Record.com : Greensboro & the Triad's most trusted source for local news and analysis

    GREENSBORO - A hardware store on West Market Street flew the American flag upside down on Wednesday.

    The store manager said it was partly in response to Election Day results, but the store owner called it a "silent protest that shouldn't have been done."

    Darrell Chambers, who owns Ace Hardware at 5105 W. Market St., said he was off Wednesday, and the display had been put up without his knowledge.

    He said the flag display ‘‘had nothing to do with the election results."
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    In every case I believe those who complain about the prtests are less than intelligent and do not know why a flag can be flown upside down and in some cases should be.

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    Re: Dispute over flag protest erupts in Wisc. village

    An important piece of the puzzle is missing from the first flag incident in the OP. No mention of why he was denied. It sounds odd that someone would wait until they spent the money this guy did before he had a liquor licence in his hand. I would think that would be a top priority before construction.

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    Re: Dispute over flag protest erupts in Wisc. village

    It doesn't matter in the least if they consider it "disrespect of the flag"; disrespect of the First Amendment is the far more pertinent issue, which indicates a symbolism fetish rather than genuine consideration of the alleged ideals that the symbol is intended to represent (as so often noted), on the part of the violators.

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    Re: Dispute over flag protest erupts in Wisc. village

    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed View Post
    An important piece of the puzzle is missing from the first flag incident in the OP. No mention of why he was denied. It sounds odd that someone would wait until they spent the money this guy did before he had a liquor licence in his hand. I would think that would be a top priority before construction.
    I know from experience that to do the kind of work that would cost $200,000 a building permit is issued and the planning and zoning commission would be involved as well as the building Dept. and inspector. On major projects P & Z bring the item before Council for review and discussion and generally the license and it's requirements are discussed before the Council by the applicant and the chairperson of P & Z so there are no surprises.
    Small town Politics are often more corrupt and in some cases more dangerous than most people could dream of with dirty deeds done dirt cheap behind the scenes. That could very well be what is at play here. And as I said the best way to fight back is from the inside.
    Last edited by Councilman; 07-11-09 at 02:08 AM.

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    Re: Dispute over flag protest erupts in Wisc. village

    The 1st Amendment doesn't over-rule Federal law in this case. It's illegal to fly the flag upside-down, unless it's to signal an emergency. Not getting one's way in a licensing procedure isn't an emergency. They dhould have beat him with a rubber hose a little, because he's a vet and should show a little more maturity than your average bear.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dispute over flag protest erupts in Wisc. village

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The 1st Amendment doesn't over-rule Federal law in this case. It's illegal to fly the flag upside-down, unless it's to signal an emergency. Not getting one's way in a licensing procedure isn't an emergency. They dhould have beat him with a rubber hose a little, because he's a vet and should show a little more maturity than your average bear.
    that is absurd

    Federal law can't trump a federal amendment

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    that is absurd

    Federal law can't trump a federal amendment
    Yes it can. Can you yell fire in a crowded building?

    Was the guy in a bind and needed help, or was he just being pissy because he didn't get his liquor license? If he can't figure out how to run a resturant without a liquor license, then he probably doesn't need to be in the resturant business, anyway.
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    Re: Dispute over flag protest erupts in Wisc. village

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's illegal to fly the flag upside-down, unless it's to signal an emergency. Not getting one's way in a licensing procedure isn't an emergency.
    First of all, the first amendment gives the owner of the flag the right to determine if it is an emergency or distree. You don't get to decide that for him.

    Second of all Flag-Code is not enforced to everyday citizens.

    Thirdly while I detest people desecrating the flag, it is their right to do as they wish with THEIR property.

    Saying he should be beaten for exercising his first amendment rights is pathetic.
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    Re: Dispute over flag protest erupts in Wisc. village

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    First of all, the first amendment gives the owner of the flag the right to determine if it is an emergency or distree. You don't get to decide that for him.

    Second of all Flag-Code is not enforced to everyday citizens.

    Thirdly while I detest people desecrating the flag, it is their right to do as they wish with THEIR property.

    Saying he should be beaten for exercising his first amendment rights is pathetic.

    I'm saying he should be beaten because he's a former member of the United States armed services and he should know better. I don't expect someone like you to unerstand.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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