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    Re: Dispute over flag protest erupts in Wisc. village

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    There has to be more to this story.

    I mean, how do you get denied a liquor liscence in Wisconsin? Seriously?
    I will admit I'm interested in that tidbit, but I don't think it has anything to do with what the authorities did about the man's flag.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Dispute over flag protest erupts in Wisc. village

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    WAUSAU, Wis. An American flag flown upside down as a protest in a northern Wisconsin village was seized by police before a Fourth of July parade and the businessman who flew it an Iraq war veteran claims the officers trespassed and stole his property. A day after the parade, police returned the flag and the man's protest over a liquor license continued.

    The American Civil Liberties Union of Wisconsin is considering legal action against the village of Crivitz for violating Vito Congine Jr.'s' First Amendment rights, Executive Director Chris Ahmuty said.
    He should sue. They clearly violated his First Amendment rights.

    Considering the state of our country today, all American flags should be flown upside down.

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    Re: Dispute over flag protest erupts in Wisc. village

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler
    There has to be more to this story.

    I mean, how do you get denied a liquor liscence in Wisconsin? Seriously?
    It's not terribly difficult:



      • You must be of legal drinking age (21).
      • You must have resided continuously in Wisconsin for at least 90 days prior to the application date.
      • You must have a seller's permit issued by the Department of Revenue. Call (608) 266-2776.
      • You must have completed a responsible beverage server training course. Call your local Vocational, Technical and Adult Education (VTAE) school, or see "Training" on the Department of Revenue web site.

      A criminal record may prevent you from getting a license, as explained below.
    1. Can I get a liquor license if I have a criminal record? That will largely be up to the municipality to determine. A criminal record is not an automatic bar to getting a license. The municipality must determine whether the violation is something related to the business of selling alcohol beverages. Violations such as selling liquor without a license, tax evasion, etc., are closely related to this business and might well be a bar to licensing. A record of auto theft may not. The municipality will weigh the nature of the violation, the time that has elapsed since the violation, the person's overall record in the community, etc., in making that determination.

    Alcohol Beverage Laws for Retailers - License
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    Re: Dispute over flag protest erupts in Wisc. village

    It has been suggested that perhaps Congine was denied a liquor license because of a criminal record.

    The board says it denied the request because of the economy and other concerns.
    Flag debate brings out Crivitz residents

    Just figured I'd throw that out there.


    With that said, even if the man gets his license and starts running his business the way he planned, it's looking like he's going to be short a whole lot of customers.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Dispute over flag protest erupts in Wisc. village

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The 1st Amendment doesn't over-rule Federal law in this case. It's illegal to fly the flag upside-down, unless it's to signal an emergency. Not getting one's way in a licensing procedure isn't an emergency. They dhould have beat him with a rubber hose a little, because he's a vet and should show a little more maturity than your average bear.
    Incorrect, Federal Law does not usurp the 1st Amendment, though the 1st Amendment must be interpreted by the SCOTUS before nullifying federal law.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm saying he should be beaten because he's a former member of the United States armed services and he should know better. I don't expect someone like you to unerstand.
    It's rather paradoxical to say that symbols are more important than the principles they symbolize.

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    Re: Dispute over flag protest erupts in Wisc. village

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yes it can. Can you yell fire in a crowded building?
    No it can't. Not being able to yell fire in a crowded building is a law because the act of which directly infringes on the rights of others. Creating a panic when there is no call for one endangers the individual and that's why it's not allowed. In general, federal law cannot usurp the rights of the individual. The only natural limitations to our rights is that we may not infringe upon the rights of others in the exercise of our own, which is why yelling fire in a crowded building is not allowed.
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    Re: Dispute over flag protest erupts in Wisc. village

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The 1st Amendment doesn't over-rule Federal law in this case. It's illegal to fly the flag upside-down, unless it's to signal an emergency. Not getting one's way in a licensing procedure isn't an emergency. They dhould have beat him with a rubber hose a little, because he's a vet and should show a little more maturity than your average bear.
    Umm....Federal law is inferior to the First Amendment.

    The flying of a flag upside down, which, btw, is only recognized as a signal of distress to some Americans, and not recognized internationally at all, presents no threat of imminent harm to anyone and cannot therefore be subject to prior restraint by any law.

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