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    Report: Bush program extended beyond wiretapping

    What I don't understand is whether Patriot Act has been considered null and this kind of surveillance brought to an end... Nobody has talked about that at all, so is Obama just keeping it going? I really don't know, so I'm just wondering.

    Anyway, this isn't that big of a surprise. In Cheney's words: "This war will be fought in the shadows, or the dark side if you will". If this was necessary in the initial aftershock of 9/11, is it still necessary? Why do you NEED to sustain infringements on our civil liberties?

    Bush went beyond warrantless wiretapping, report finds.
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    Re: Report: Bush program extended beyond wiretapping

    Methinks this is perhaps the wrong forum for this.
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    Re: Report: Bush program extended beyond wiretapping

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Methinks this is perhaps the wrong forum for this.
    It may seem that way but I just saw it on the news... this report is brand new, so it would make it breaking news.
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    Re: Report: Bush program extended beyond wiretapping

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Methinks this is perhaps the wrong forum for this.
    No it's breaking news that just hit the wire service's about and hour or so ago

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    Re: Report: Bush program extended beyond wiretapping

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
    What I don't understand is whether Patriot Act has been considered null and this kind of surveillance brought to an end... Nobody has talked about that at all, so is Obama just keeping it going? I really don't know, so I'm just wondering.

    Anyway, this isn't that big of a surprise. In Cheney's words: "This war will be fought in the shadows, or the dark side if you will". If this was necessary in the initial aftershock of 9/11, is it still necessary? Why do you NEED to sustain infringements on our civil liberties?

    Bush went beyond warrantless wiretapping, report finds.

    Who care's you do understand that this has been legal since LBJ was in office and has been used by both side Presidents.

    The only reason the folks on the Left have got their panty's in a knot over it is because of there hate of Mr. Bush and Mr Cheney never mind the fact that Mr. Clinton used these same types of wire taps and that Mr. Carter used them on Iranian official during the Hostage Crisis but hey the Left will never admit to those items now will they.

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    Re: Report: Bush program extended beyond wiretapping

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    Who care's you do understand that this has been legal since LBJ was in office and has been used by both side Presidents.

    The only reason the folks on the Left have got their panty's in a knot over it is because of there hate of Mr. Bush and Mr Cheney never mind the fact that Mr. Clinton used these same types of wire taps and that Mr. Carter used them on Iranian official during the Hostage Crisis but hey the Left will never admit to those items now will they.
    1- Wiretapping for specific occurences is completely different than warantless wiretapping... If you don't see the difference than there is no point in discussion this

    2- The report finds that there were more illegal methods used besides wiretapping.
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    Re: Report: Bush program extended beyond wiretapping

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
    What I don't understand is whether Patriot Act has been considered null and this kind of surveillance brought to an end... Nobody has talked about that at all, so is Obama just keeping it going? I really don't know, so I'm just wondering.

    Anyway, this isn't that big of a surprise. In Cheney's words: "This war will be fought in the shadows, or the dark side if you will". If this was necessary in the initial aftershock of 9/11, is it still necessary? Why do you NEED to sustain infringements on our civil liberties?

    Bush went beyond warrantless wiretapping, report finds.
    Yes, Obama is keeping it going. Not only is he keeping it going, but he has increased funding for this particular surveillance program by $2 billion annually. Of course, there's nothing but crickets from the mainstream media. I guess noone wants to admit that now he is in the big boy seat he has to make big boy decisions about keeping this country safe.

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    Re: Report: Bush program extended beyond wiretapping

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
    1- Wiretapping for specific occurences is completely different than warantless wiretapping... If you don't see the difference than there is no point in discussion this

    2- The report finds that there were more illegal methods used besides wiretapping.
    1-All those wire tape that past President used were warrantless wiretapping this is has been the hallmark of these wiretaps. They are check bya federal Judge before they are impleminted.

    2-The report does mention any other other "ILLEGAL" methods as a matter of fact no where in the AP report is the subject discussed.

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    Re: Report: Bush program extended beyond wiretapping

    DUH

    Of course he authorized secret intelligence programs that where not made public.

    What a stupid report..well no the reports not stupid its just a report...whats stupid is how the media makes it into somehting more then nothing and how those the media is playing too actually think this crap is profound in some way.


    BTW Obam is doing the same..
    Impeach him?..or is he too brown on the outside for you to do that?

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    Re: Report: Bush program extended beyond wiretapping

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
    It may seem that way but I just saw it on the news... this report is brand new, so it would make it breaking news.
    Ah.

    When I first saw this thread, there was no link to the news story, and there was a poll up, so I thought it had been mistakenly placed in the breaking news forum instead of the polls forum.

    But now I see that there is a news story link, so that is not the case.
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