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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    How about paying them to be sterilized or have abortions? That could go a long way toward helping to contain costs.
    How? Wouldn't that mean more money being spent?
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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    How about paying them to be sterilized or have abortions? That could go a long way toward helping to contain costs.

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    The political uproar over that would just be a lot more trouble than it was worth.

    From an economic perspective, I guess the cost-effectiveness of that would come down to how much people were being paid. This is just a guess and I don't have any evidence to support this, but I would think that the amount the government would have to pay to get people to actually do it would be more than the public costs of the kid, so it would not be cost-effective.

    Paid abortion would cause an especially big political stink, but sterilization would probably pose a lot more long-term problems. If the government paid people to get sterilized, I think we might face the kind of demographic problems that China is facing, albeit on a smaller scale.
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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Kandahar:

    It's mr vicchio, one of the most hackiest far-rights around here.

    Why would he bother to see the quote in it's proper context. Why would be bother really comment on the piece from CSN 'news'.?

    He just post these ridiculous op-ed pieces as evidence of something only he sees and he believes.

    He doesn't care a lick about what justice Ginsberg actually said or what she obviously meant -- he thrives on 'out of context' bashing of all things left.
    I'm not a far right hack, I just don't back down in the face of liberal progressives. I reject your "Government first" mentality, and I do so unabashedly.

    Can you please show where I took her "out of context"? She stated that she believed the jsutification was ridding society of undesirables. Do you deny this?
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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    As long as they consent to it, sure. I'm in favor of universal health care for everyone.
    I'm in favor of not being robbed to empower poverty.
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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I'm in favor of not being robbed to empower poverty.
    Then you shouldn't have a problem with this. If there are fewer poor people born, it means you'll be "robbed to empower poverty" a lot less.
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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    How? Wouldn't that mean more money being spent?
    I'm assuming the payment, $1000 would probably do it for many, and the cost of the procedure would not be anywhere near as much as paying for the birth and care of the kids they might have.

    Kandi is all about cost containment so I was just wondering what he thought about a little investment for the long term.

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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Then you shouldn't have a problem with this. If there are fewer poor people born, it means you'll be "robbed to empower poverty" a lot less.
    I have a huge problem with killing people to remove them from "the burden of life". I am not a Nazi.

    Killing is as repugnant as creating slaves to the system. Both are inherently EVIL.

    I believe all humans, have the ability, and should be given the chance to succeed, the best way to do that, is not to chain them down. Get out of the way and let freedom roll.

    Welfare is nothing more then a chain around the necks of people.
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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I have a huge problem with killing people to remove them from "the burden of life". I am not a Nazi.

    Killing is as repugnant as creating slaves to the system. Both are inherently EVIL.
    Except, once again, I'm not talking about killing poor people. I'm talking about preventing so many of them from being born in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio
    I believe all humans, have the ability, and should be given the chance to succeed, the best way to do that, is not to chain them down. Get out of the way and let freedom roll.
    That's exactly what I'm advocating. I haven't proposed a single measure to coerce the poor into giving up their reproductive freedom. All I've suggested is continuing to allow them to have abortions, and making sure everyone has access to sex education and contraception.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio
    Welfare is nothing more then a chain around the necks of people.
    Then once again, you should support this. It'll make the chain around your neck that much smaller. What part of that is difficult to understand? If people devoted half the energy to cost control that they devote to bitching about anti-poverty programs, we'd have much less government spending.
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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Except, once again, I'm not talking about killing poor people. I'm talking about preventing so many of them from being born in the first place.
    Why not prevent rich people from being born instead, creating space in the upper economic castes into which poor people might rise?

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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Why not prevent rich people from being born instead, creating space in the upper economic castes into which poor people might rise?
    Because that is simply not how economics works. Our economy is not a zero-sum game where you can just "create space into which the poor might rise." Mao Tse-Tung already tried that approach...although he didn't have any qualms about flat-out murdering the bourgeoisie.

    However, I don't have any problem with wealthy people using contraception or having abortions if they don't want kids. It's their choice. They are usually able to take care of their kids though, so society isn't typically as invested in their decision.
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