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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So you don't see any benefit to encouraging the poor to have fewer children, in a way that is not coercive and doesn't cost the taxpayers anything?
    let me make this clear: NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    when it comes to children, the government should be: Hands. Off. I think the parents should decide if they want more or less children WITHOUT ANY encouragement by "elitests" who think they know better about how many children one family should have.
    This kind of **** is exactly why there is a perception that some conservatives stop caring about the kid the moment he comes out of the womb. Yes, it's nothing more than "liberal elitism" to want to live in a society with less crime, a better environment, and a lesser need for government spending...all while helping the poor people in question better themselves financially without coercing them to do anything.
    Oh yes, if only we killed more children, all our problems would go away.

    CHILDREN are not these little "robotic entities" that as soon as they are born, their future is predetermined by how rich or poor their parents are. What if one kid turns out to be the next Stephen Hawking? The next FDR? And perhaps go on to solve a problem or 2 in our world?

    All I can hope for is that this elitism will follow natural selection and die with it's own ideaology of "pro-abortion".
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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What about those who have no effectiveness to begin with?
    There's no need to drag Sotomayor into this.

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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And what do any of your cliches have to do with the fact that social programs do exist, their main beneficiaries are the poor, and fewer poor people means less money spent on these programs that you consider wasteful?
    Perhaps that he's proposing to resolve issues of poverty through education and elevation rather than extermination?

    Your argument reduces to this: poor people are a burden, so we must eliminate poor people. Sustaining poor people's lives is troublesome, so we must end those lives.

    That you fail to see the moral repugnance of that argument is rather disappointing, although I won't say it is surprising.

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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It's not like she said that she SUPPORTED that rationale at the time. Besides, you forgot that she concluded that statement by saying "And then I realized that my perception of it had been altogether wrong."

    However, that *is* the best effect of abortion IMO. Reducing the birth rate among the poor will help keep down the costs for entitlement programs, reduce crime, protect the environment, and generally improve the quality of life for Americans.
    Kandahar:

    It's mr vicchio, one of the most hackiest far-rights around here.

    Why would he bother to see the quote in it's proper context. Why would be bother really comment on the piece from CSN 'news'.?

    He just post these ridiculous op-ed pieces as evidence of something only he sees and he believes.

    He doesn't care a lick about what justice Ginsberg actually said or what she obviously meant -- he thrives on 'out of context' bashing of all things left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Let us know if that ever happens, m'kay?
    It already has happened.

    "The Impact of Legalized Abortion on Crime" is a controversial paper by John Donohue of Yale University and Steven Levitt of University of Chicago.
    Abstract
    "We offer evidence that legalized abortion has contributed significantly to recent crime reductions. Crime began to fall roughly 18 years after abortion legalization. The 5 states that allowed abortion in 1970 experienced declines earlier than the rest of the nation, which legalized in 1973 with Roe v. Wade. States with high abortion rates in the 1970s and 1980s experienced greater crime reductions in the 1990s. In high abortion states, only arrests of those born after abortion legalization fall relative to low abortion states. Legalized abortion appears to account for as much as 50 percent of the recent drop in crime."[3]

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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    let me make this clear: NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    So you're going to personally pay all of society's costs associated with the extra poor kids?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12
    when it comes to children, the government should be: Hands. Off. I think the parents should decide if they want more or less children WITHOUT ANY encouragement by "elitests" who think they know better about how many children one family should have.
    Legalized abortion is only "encouragement" in the sense that it leaves people alone to do what they want to do anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12
    Oh yes, if only we killed more children, all our problems would go away.
    I do not agree that abortion is killing children. Next?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12
    CHILDREN are not these little "robotic entities" that as soon as they are born, their future is predetermined by how rich or poor their parents are. What if one kid turns out to be the next Stephen Hawking? The next FDR? And perhaps go on to solve a problem or 2 in our world?
    Yes, it's true that not all poor kids will grow up to be criminals and/or live on welfare. And not all non-poor kids will be fine upstanding citizens. But we aren't talking about an individual kid here, we're talking in general. The law of large numbers applies. Children of poor parents are much more likely to become poor themselves, and thus more likely to be a drain on society's resources.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12
    All I can hope for is that this elitism will follow natural selection and die with it's own ideaology of "pro-abortion".
    If you're willing to shoulder all the costs associated with more poor kids in the world, be my guest. Otherwise, quit your bitching.
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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Perhaps that he's proposing to resolve issues of poverty through education and elevation rather than extermination?
    My way is more cost-effective and more certain. And I highly doubt he's talking about education for the poor anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord
    Your argument reduces to this: poor people are a burden, so we must eliminate poor people. Sustaining poor people's lives is troublesome, so we must end those lives.

    That you fail to see the moral repugnance of that argument is rather disappointing, although I won't say it is surprising.
    Except I'm not talking about killing poor people who already exist, I'm talking about preventing more of them from existing in the first place, without any coercion of anyone. What exactly is morally repugnant about this?
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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    My way is more cost-effective and more certain...

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    So you would also advocate sterilizing poor people? That would be even more cost effective.

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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    So you would also advocate sterilizing poor people? That would be even more cost effective.

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    As long as they consent to it, sure. I'm in favor of universal health care for everyone.
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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    As long as they consent to it, sure. I'm in favor of universal health care for everyone.
    How about paying them to be sterilized or have abortions? That could go a long way toward helping to contain costs.

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