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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And what do any of your stupid cliches have to do with the fact that social programs do exist, their main beneficiaries are the poor, and fewer poor people means less money spent on these programs that you consider wasteful?
    I think that society will adjust itself to swell lower classes when programs are made available to support larger numbers of poor. When these programs are made less available, the poor, out of survival instinct, will attempt other means of getting their daily bread like joining the military, etc.

    The poverty problem is magnified by making these programs available.

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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Teach a man to fish, and he can provide for himself.
    The problem with that concept in the conservative and capitalist world is time is money so the man (which would be millions) would first have to PAY to learn how to fish. Of course to teach millions, it would first take teachers that need to payed. Since the folks needing the training would not have the money to pay for such a training, only a social program could assist them in that, but wait we can't have that. So they just starve and die.

    Good plan

    This is what happens when you try to equate a simple yet pointless saying in the real world.

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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

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    I think that society will adjust itself to swell lower classes when programs are made available to support larger numbers of poor. When these programs are made less available, the poor, out of survival instinct, will attempt other means of getting their daily bread like joining the military, etc.

    The poverty problem is magnified by making these programs available.
    And once again, I am not debating the effectiveness of social programs here. But I think we can all agree that fewer poor people having babies means fewer mouths for those social programs to feed? No?
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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And once again, I am not debating the effectiveness of social programs here. But I think we can all agree that fewer poor people having babies means fewer mouths for those social programs to feed? No?
    I dunno actually. Granted, I agree that fewer poor people having babies probably leads to less crime in the end (a whole other debate), but I think that available social programs lead to people being made available to utilize those social programs. I think they create the problem they are meant to resolve.

    But you are right, that's another topic and I don't want to derail. We are in agreement though that abortion as a mechanism to electively limit birth rate in the low classes cannot be a bad thing.

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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The problem with that concept in the conservative and capitalist world is time is money so the man (which would be millions) would first have to PAY to learn how to fish. Of course to teach millions, it would first take teachers that need to payed. Since the folks needing the training would not have the money to pay for such a training, only a social program could assist them in that, but wait we can't have that. So they just starve and die.

    Good plan

    This is what happens when you try to equate a simple yet pointless saying in the real world.
    Except that we have a public school system that is supposed to be doing this from 5 years old to about 18 years old.

    The addage is true. Our system is just failing on all fronts.

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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    I just want to say that this thread contains within it the epitome of liberal elitism.

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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Except that we have a public school system that is supposed to be doing this from 5 years old to about 18 years old.
    But that is a social program, and MrViccio said all those programs need to go. So how can you teach a man (in this case millions) to fish without any social programs.

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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    I just want to say that this thread contains within it the epitome of liberal elitism.
    So you don't see any benefit to encouraging the poor to have fewer children, in a way that is not coercive and doesn't cost the taxpayers anything?

    This kind of **** is exactly why there is a perception that some conservatives stop caring about the kid the moment he comes out of the womb. Yes, it's nothing more than "liberal elitism" to want to live in a society with less crime, a better environment, and a lesser need for government spending...all while helping the poor people in question better themselves financially without coercing them to do anything.
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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    But that is a social program, and MrViccio said all those programs need to go. So how can you teach a man (in this case millions) to fish without any social programs.
    1. Give him a fishing pole.

    2. Take him to river.

    3. Give him book of matches.

    4. Leave.

    He either learns to fish or he starves.... if you feed him every day, the only thing he will do is get fat.

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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    But that is a social program, and MrViccio said all those programs need to go. So how can you teach a man (in this case millions) to fish without any social programs.
    Viccio takes a much more hard-line approach to social programs than I do.

    I also think that you are obtusely assigning all social programs to a single category when we both know that Viccio is specifically talking about welfare programs. He obviously has no problem with resources being spent teaching considering the addage he invoked.

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