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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

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    No, tahts not what I did. Read it again.
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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    But you weren't making an economic argument against foreign aid. You were making a not-my-problem argument.
    I was doing both, actually. Let me rephrase: It's not my problem, so my taxes shouldn't be poured down a bottomless money hole, when obviously the practice had a negative effect on the plight of the Africans. Feel better?
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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This is the last time I'm going to throw your own words back in your face, since your M.O. is to just flatly deny you ever said things that you clearly did. If you can't debate like a grown-up, I'm not going to bother. It's your choice.
    Don't be a baby. That's not what I said and you damn well know it. I NEVER made any comparison of ginsburg's comments with the Holocaust.
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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I was doing both, actually. Let me rephrase: It's not my problem, so my taxes shouldn't be poured down a bottomless money hole, when obviously the practice had a negative effect on the plight of the Africans. Feel better?
    Fair enough. So just to clarify since I specifically asked about contraception instead of foreign aid in general: Do you believe that A) distributing condoms in Africa doesn't reduce the birth rate, B) it does reduce the birth rate but that doesn't have any positive economic effect, or C) it does have a positive economic effect but you just don't care anyway because it isn't your problem?
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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It's not like she said that she SUPPORTED that rationale at the time. Besides, you forgot that she concluded that statement by saying "And then I realized that my perception of it had been altogether wrong."

    However, that *is* the best effect of abortion IMO. Reducing the birth rate among the poor will help keep down the costs for entitlement programs, reduce crime, protect the environment, and generally improve the quality of life for Americans.
    I'm gonna have to agree with you here. As long as the abortions aren't being forced (that would be very "Hitler"), then I see no problem acknowledging the fact that abortion is a utility in keeping the population of poor down.

    I also have no problem with forced sterilization of women who have serious drug addiction that has led to more than 1 malformed child because of their usage.

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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If you're against cradle-to-grave socialism, then reducing the birth rate of the poor should be a top priority for you. Who do you think are the main recipients of many social programs?
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    It's amazing how simple, and honest a concept like that is considered cruel, but creating programs proven to perpetuate poverty are considered "kind".
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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You are completely missing what I am saying or blatantly misconstruing what I am saying...not sure which.

    What I am saying is that the pro-life movement is 100% behind protecting the fetus, however as soon as the fetus becomes a child, they are against doing anything to support the child.
    What are you talking about? You make it sound like us pro-lifers wish to protect a fetus but as soon as the child is born we no longer want them protected? If this is how you see us you are simply wrong.

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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    What are you talking about? You make it sound like us pro-lifers wish to protect a fetus but as soon as the child is born we no longer want them protected? If this is how you see us you are simply wrong.
    It is a highly deceitful misrepresentation of the prolife movement on Disney's part. It borders on hyperbole where it doesn't cross over into outright lie.

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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

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    Feed a man a fish, and he eats for a day, returning again for another fish.

    Teach a man to fish, and he can provide for himself.


    It's amazing how simple, and honest a concept like that is considered cruel, but creating programs proven to perpetuate poverty are considered "kind".
    And what do any of your cliches have to do with the fact that social programs do exist, their main beneficiaries are the poor, and fewer poor people means less money spent on these programs that you consider wasteful?
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    Re: Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    What are you talking about? You make it sound like us pro-lifers wish to protect a fetus but as soon as the child is born we no longer want them protected? If this is how you see us you are simply wrong.
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    It is a highly deceitful misrepresentation of the prolife movement on Disney's part. It borders on hyperbole where it doesn't cross over into outright lie.
    There are certain posters in this thread alone that are a perfect example of what Disney is talking about. I agree with him, with the caveat that it doesn't apply to everyone who opposes abortion.
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