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Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit

Voidwar said:
No, that is YOUR reasoning. That's why when I quote it, it says "celticlord" at the top of the box.
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So you admit your argument was foolish and vapid. Thank you.
 
celticlord said:
So you admit your argument was foolish and vapid. Thank you.
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Thats not what happened at all. You attempted to strawman me, and I called out and discreditted the attempt.

Don't make stuff up and claim its my argument or "my reasoning", when it is not, and you will not be taken to task for strawmanning.
 
disneydude said:
Which is why there is a lot of truth to the argument that the Pro-life Movement is all about protecting the fetus. Once the fetus becomes a child they have no interest in the government doing anything to support the child.
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It's not the government's role to support anyone. If you don't want to have to take care of a child, don't get pregnant. There is no excuse for an unwanted pregnancy today. Birth control is widely available and free to those who can't afford it.
 
Kandahar said:
It's not like she said that she SUPPORTED that rationale at the time. Besides, you forgot that she concluded that statement by saying "And then I realized that my perception of it had been altogether wrong."

However, that *is* the best effect of abortion IMO. Reducing the birth rate among the poor will help keep down the costs for entitlement programs, reduce crime, protect the environment, and generally improve the quality of life for Americans.
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Ginsburg did not support that rationale. When she was going through her confirmation hearings she stated that she felt Roe was bad law.
 
Voidwar said:
No it doesn't. You are simply factually wrong. A fetus's blood is oxygenated by close contact with high O2 maternal blood at the placental interface.



Biology, you don't seem to know a darn thing about it !
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The mother does the breathing. The child absorbs it. Damn that was easy to figure out. Next.
 
disneydude said:
Which is why there is a lot of truth to the argument that the Pro-life Movement is all about protecting the fetus. Once the fetus becomes a child they have no interest in the government doing anything to support the child.
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Palin is the joke of the republican party. She will NEVER get nominated ... let alone elected.

Give it up dude.
 
Vader said:
Palin is the joke of the republican party. She will NEVER get nominated ... let alone elected.

Give it up dude.
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Palin is the best Conservative we have. Would you prefer another weak ass moderate like McCain?
 
MrVicchio said:
I am not bogged down by ideology. Fetus = Child, sorry you refuse to accept that.
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Your statement is a terminological falsehood, and you have admitted as much.
 
MrVicchio said:
I am not bogged down by ideology. Fetus = Child, sorry you refuse to accept that.
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If you're going to call us all ideologues, then it should be relatively simple for you to answer the questions I asked: 1) Define "human", 2) Explain why you believe humans are entitled to rights which don't apply to non-humans.

If you can't or won't answer these simple questions, then you're just starting from a completely different premise and debating the issue is pointless.
 
Kandahar said:
So you don't see any benefit to encouraging the poor to have fewer children, in a way that is not coercive and doesn't cost the taxpayers anything?

This kind of **** is exactly why there is a perception that some conservatives stop caring about the kid the moment he comes out of the womb. Yes, it's nothing more than "liberal elitism" to want to live in a society with less crime, a better environment, and a lesser need for government spending...all while helping the poor people in question better themselves financially without coercing them to do anything. :doh
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Well, so long as "the poor" aren't being coerced all is fine and dandy - it's only okay to coerce people like my dad into paying for other people's living expenses.

So, is this the part where you erroneously conflate police and fire protection with national welfare programs in order to highlight my "hypocrisy"?
 
Kandahar said:
If you're going to call us all ideologues, then it should be relatively simple for you to answer the questions I asked: 1) Define "human", 2) Explain why you believe humans are entitled to rights which don't apply to non-humans.

If you can't or won't answer these simple questions, then you're just starting from a completely different premise and debating the issue is pointless.
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But wherefore art thy answers to these questions?
 
MrVicchio said:
Palin is the best Conservative we have. Would you prefer another weak ass moderate like McCain?
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Because who wants America's President to be someone who compromises on stuff?
..Apart from people who live in, you know, every other country on Earth. :shock:
 
Glowfish said:
Because who wants America's President to be someone who compromises on stuff?
..Apart from people who live in, you know, every other country on Earth. :shock:
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Lol!

Yeah, Obama's compromising everything... our financial future, our diplomatic strength, our standing in the world, our prosperity, our military and our stand of living.

I guess for some... that's good... I think?
 
Glowfish said:
Because who wants America's President to be someone who compromises on stuff?
..Apart from people who live in, you know, every other country on Earth. :shock:
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That's why so many other countries are in trouble.
 
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