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Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

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The federal minimum wage is set to increase later this month as the job market shows signs of further decay.

The federal minimum wage will go to $7.25 an hour on July 24 from its current level of $6.55, according to the U.S. Department of Labor.

higher-minimum-wage-coming-soon.html: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance

24 of 50 states will be affected with the most extreme case being Kansas going from a current minimum wage of $2.65 to $7.25 on Jan 1, 2010.


Can the job market and our economy handle this increase? Will this increase consumer spending by giving more money into the pockets of teenagers, and poverty and borderline poverty level adults?
 
It'll just cause more inflation, most likely...
 
higher-minimum-wage-coming-soon.html: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance

24 of 50 states will be affected with the most extreme case being Kansas going from a current minimum wage of $2.65 to $7.25 on Jan 1, 2010.


Can the job market and our economy handle this increase? Will this increase consumer spending by giving more money into the pockets of teenagers, and poverty and borderline poverty level adults?

More than likely this will cause more layoffs and slow hiring.

You can't successfully mandate wage increases and get a favorable outcome.
 
Yes you can, but only to a point...
Incorrect, there will always be job market shrinkage when artificial controls are added or increased such as a minimum wage.
 
I'm sorry, but I've been hearing a bunch of bull**** from faux "free market" people about the pitfalls of a minimum wage for as long as I've been interested in economics and history does not bear that argument out.
 
Yeah, that'll help CHANGE the unemployment numbers that were HOPING to go down but instead are going up.
 
Yeah, that'll help CHANGE the unemployment numbers that were HOPING to go down but instead are going up.

Hey I never said it was a good idea, I think its retarded, but the idea that the whole minimum wage should be thrown out is ludicrous...
 
I'm sorry, but I've been hearing a bunch of bull**** from faux "free market" people about the pitfalls of a minimum wage for as long as I've been interested in economics and history does not bear that argument out.

Why is it bull****?

History is generally full of half truths or full blown lies, I try to find multiple analysis' before I make a committed account of what is and is not true.
 
Hey I never said it was a good idea, I think its retarded, but the idea that the whole minimum wage should be thrown out is ludicrous...
If the minimum wage is good though, then why does it have to constantly be increased? And what numbers make 7.50/hr. better than 5.75/hr. considering that costs will increase accordingly? Fair market labor value is preferable to a minimum wage any day, I haven't seen a valid counter argument to that.
 
I'm sorry, but I've been hearing a bunch of bull**** from faux "free market" people about the pitfalls of a minimum wage for as long as I've been interested in economics and history does not bear that argument out.

This is one case where it's actually true. Isn't a single case of an increase in the minimum wage being linked to an increase in the standard of living-- all it does is leave fewer jobs available for the people it's supposed to help, and raise the prices of goods and services for everyone.

Money's not real. It's an abstract measurement, relative only to itself, and thus dictating the price of goods and services in terms of money is only effective at changing the value of money. Labor is a commodity, worth no more and no less than whatever someone is willing to pay for it... and price fixing is no more effective for labor than it is for any other good or service.
 
Not to mention the notion of a state, let alone a federal, "minimum wage" on the basis that many liberals try to talk about it...needing to make sure people can have a "liveable wage" is laughable in and of itself.

I've lived in three different locations in my state...Southwest (Roanoke) Virginia, Hampton Roads (Newport News), and Northern (Herndon) Virginia.

I could live as a single person relatively comfortably (though not really any luxuries) in Roanoke for $24,000...would be a little hard pressed in Newport News on that...and would be down right impossible to live on my own on that in Northern Virginia.
 
Actually I wrote about minimum wage on my blog, here's a little excerpt. Basically sums up most of my opinion on the matter....

The case for a Minimum Wage is obvious, but nonetheless in need of being restated. Many economically authoritarian elements within the country see the issue not as of merely a 'minimum' in the sense of absolute bottom threshold but more as a "Living Wage." [1] Namely, If the minimum wage went up at least to $7, or better still to near $10 an hour, millions would be lifted out of poverty - by last estimates. Those estimates, I hasten to assure people skeptical of the so-called 'economists' these days, are not exactly exact and have their share of criticism.

The other benefit, say supporters, is that it is inherently racist to not support it. That indeed a minimum wage can bring up minorities from poverty, as long as the minimum wage is high enough. [3] There is wide consensus, even among some conservatives, that a Minimum Wage helps out certain minorities - mostly excluding affluent Asian American populations - to get a leg up in life. While there is no direct correlation between race (size of minorities within a state) and adoption of minimum wage laws. [2] One must keep in mind the persistence of the belief - on both sides of the aisle - indicate that such a statistic doesn't tell the full story, or at the very least shows that Minimum Wage opponents are not as divided by race as first thought.

Speaking of which, the opposition does seem to be large and well organized. Mainly concering themselves with an attack through the plain technical economics aspects - not the race preference of this (alleged) silver bullet for poverty. The Independent Institute reports that In an American Economic Review poll, 90 percent of economists agreed that minimum wage laws increase unemployment among low-skilled workers." [6] While initially I was skeptical of such a number, the sheer amount of articles and economic institutes dedicated to looking at various topics - like Minimum Wage - who disliked it made such a figure low; if anything. The Ludwig von Mises Institute (Located in Mobile, Alabama) says that "Tragically, a higher minimum wage and workplace-safety regulations are likely to exacerbate rather than mitigate social inequalities." [5] While The Heritage Foundation declares that "it doesn’t just take away current jobs, but also future job opportunities." Indeed, any effort to find any sort of true - socially liberal - economic reports on the subject mostly makes the case 'it doesn't affect enough workers to hurt the economy,' [7] which to me: sounds like acceptance that a Minimum Wage hurts economic growth but not enough to change anything (hopefully). Though even ACORN (famous for last year's Registration of The Year Award after they got Mickey Mouse registered for the Democrat Party) has made the case that higher minimum wages prevents them from hiring more people. [8]

Economic critics also make the case that minimum wage doesn't actually improve employment, overall. Indeed, there is ample evidence that minimum wage laws hurt employment. [9] [10] For indeed, of the top 15 employment rates only one (Iowa, at #5) has a minimum wage higher then Federally mandated, while four have one lower (Wyoming #3, New Mexico #7, Kansas #12, Arkansas #13). The majority do have one at par with the Federal level, but that is constantly attacked as to low while most who have a higher minimum wage all but have a monopoly on high unemployment (7 out the 10 highest unemployment rates have higher minimum wages).

The case is also made by the Austrian School redoubt, no less, called the Ludwig von Mises Institute [4] (along with a collection of similarly minded institutions, such as the Libertarian Party of America) that a minimum wage is actually somewhat racist. In short, that it is hard for a (Mises.org's example) reformed black convict (with a special emphasis on the high incarceration levels of African-American males) who is clean, looking for a little work while he picks his life back up to compete against some rich, white, frat boy. Because, to be perfectly blunt, if the convict can't undercut the lazy frat boy's wage then he won't be hired.


[1] A Moral Minimum Wage

[2] (Page 10 of 24) - Race and Policy Responsiveness in an Era of SubtleRetrenchment authored by Beamer, Glenn.

[3] Higher Minimum Wage Can Lift Minorities

[4] http://mises.org/story/3261

[5] Minimum Wage—Maximum Nonsense: Newsroom: The Independent Institute

[6] Minimizing Economic Opportunity by Raising the Minimum Wage

[7] The Economic Effects of the Minimum Wage

[8] RealClearPolitics - Commentary - Liberal Doublespeak on the Minimum Wage by Bruce Bartlett

[9] Unemployment Rates for States
 
Teenagers are already having problems finding summer jobs, this will make it worse.
 
Not to mention the notion of a state, let alone a federal, "minimum wage" on the basis that many liberals try to talk about it...needing to make sure people can have a "liveable wage" is laughable in and of itself.

I've lived in three different locations in my state...Southwest (Roanoke) Virginia, Hampton Roads (Newport News), and Northern (Herndon) Virginia.

I could live as a single person relatively comfortably (though not really any luxuries) in Roanoke for $24,000...would be a little hard pressed in Newport News on that...and would be down right impossible to live on my own on that in Northern Virginia.

Exactly, I raise a family of 4 on a similar wage.

My coworkers don't understand how, yet they are the first ones to go running to the store on break to buy lottery tickets.

If your determined enough you can survive on most offered wages.
 
Fair market labor value is preferable to a minimum wage any day, I haven't seen a valid counter argument to that.

Heh. There has never been, since the advent of industrialization, such an animal as a "fair market" for labor. You can't unleash a nearly unlimited supply of any commodity-- in this case, in the form of machine labor-- and expect that commodity to retain any value at all.

Labor market's like the agricultural market. Only reason anyone can make a living selling their own labor is an intricate web of governmental and industrial schemes to waste, destroy, and otherwise remove as much labor from the market as possible.
 
Plus, and this is my issue with some people talk about the minimum wage...

I heard someone say once that "they can't raise a family on $5.45 a day"

Well, you're not SUPPOSED to be raising a family on that. No one forces you to raise a family, this is your choice by the actions you make. In essense, I hate to say it, that is a luxury. Society shouldn't make it so that business MUST pay you enough to support however many kids you want to pump out.

If, IF I was to ever fully support a "livable wage" type program it'd need to be fluxurated based on the cost of living in a given area and based ONLY on what that INDIVIDUAL person needs for the most bare bone essential living. If you're so unskilled, so unmotivated, and so uneducated that you can not even get a job that pays greater than minimum wage then perhaps you shouldn't be having multiple children to attempt to take care of.
 
Plus, and this is my issue with some people talk about the minimum wage...

I heard someone say once that "they can't raise a family on $5.45 a day"

Well, you're not SUPPOSED to be raising a family on that. No one forces you to raise a family, this is your choice by the actions you make. In essense, I hate to say it, that is a luxury. Society shouldn't make it so that business MUST pay you enough to support however many kids you want to pump out.

If, IF I was to ever fully support a "livable wage" type program it'd need to be fluxurated based on the cost of living in a given area and based ONLY on what that INDIVIDUAL person needs for the most bare bone essential living. If you're so unskilled, so unmotivated, and so uneducated that you can not even get a job that pays greater than minimum wage then perhaps you shouldn't be having multiple children to attempt to take care of.
Bare bones includes a 50" wide screen. :mrgreen:
 
Heh. There has never been, since the advent of industrialization, such an animal as a "fair market" for labor. You can't unleash a nearly unlimited supply of any commodity-- in this case, in the form of machine labor-- and expect that commodity to retain any value at all.
Correct, my usage of fair market was more of a value decision between an employer and employee when the final ink is put down on the contract, I probably didn't expand enough on that. There is always "some" value in a laborer who will work for "offered" wages over any other mechanism to create output, it's where the values fall on the curve that I was more alluding to.

Labor market's like the agricultural market. Only reason anyone can make a living selling their own labor is an intricate web of governmental and industrial schemes to waste, destroy, and otherwise remove as much labor from the market as possible.
I'm not quite that cynical about it yet, but, there is alot of the above in all of our current markets in general.
 
If the minimum wage is good though, then why does it have to constantly be increased? And what numbers make 7.50/hr. better than 5.75/hr. considering that costs will increase accordingly? Fair market labor value is preferable to a minimum wage any day, I haven't seen a valid counter argument to that.

That would be true if most companies did not seek to exploit the workers for their own selfish greed. That's the biggest problem with a Capitalistic system and why the prior administration was such a failure. The prior administration believed that companies best regulate themselves. We see where that idea got us.
 
That would be true if most companies did not seek to exploit the workers for their own selfish greed.
I stopped reading there, got some internal writings saying such, or something other than the democrat party line backing this statement up? Actual labor value charts? Company earnings statements? Tax liability statements? Or is this more lecturing to feelings that actually doesn't fix anything?
 
That would be true if most companies did not seek to exploit the workers for their own selfish greed. That's the biggest problem with a Capitalistic system and why the prior administration was such a failure. The prior administration believed that companies best regulate themselves. We see where that idea got us.
Like Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac?
 
That would be true if most companies did not seek to exploit the workers for their own selfish greed. That's the biggest problem with a Capitalistic system and why the prior administration was such a failure. The prior administration believed that companies best regulate themselves. We see where that idea got us.

You mean the companies with unions and those that Barney Frank and Chris Dodd threatened if they didn't extend loans to people that couldn't afford them? The ones we're bailing out? (Notice they all have DNC leanings and associations)

Most companies were fine until the banks dried up. Thanks, Barney and Chris.
 
That would be true if most companies did not seek to exploit the workers for their own selfish greed. That's the biggest problem with a Capitalistic system and why the prior administration was such a failure. The prior administration believed that companies best regulate themselves. We see where that idea got us.

Uhm, DD... reality check. The housing bubble was caused almost exclusively by Washington mandated housing policies.

THAT is why people like you are so easy to, dismiss. you ignore the reality for political theory.
 
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