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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    What their labour is worth is subjective. If you don't agree with the minimum limit set by the state, you're not forced to be an employer.
    That's a great way to lose entrepreneurs.

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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    Those jobs also need to be done by somebody since they are vital to society. That's why a decent minimum wage is an esssential of a civilised society.
    If a machine can do it then you probably need to train yourself for a better job.

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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    2. The alternative to inadequate pay for many is unemployment and even worse poverty.
    So instead of getting a job with low pay, people will instead not get paid and suck off the state via welfare! Great plan! Just what we need, more babies.

    3. I have the greatest respect for one of the cleaners where I work. She is about 50 and has always been a cleaner. She takes great pride in her work and does it very well, always with a smile. She didn't want ot need to study to become an astro-physicist. She does deserve enough money to live on. Thankfully she does her thankless job because somebody has to and we'd be stuffed if we couldn't fill her post.
    Roomba does the same job and I only need to pay $100 once. Why is her job valuable again?

    4. But not to obscene differences. Keep the differential reasonable.
    And of course you know what's reasonable and what's not.

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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    That's a great way to lose entrepreneurs.
    No, it's a great way to lose exploitative employers.
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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    If a machine can do it then you probably need to train yourself for a better job.
    And if a machine can't do it, or the employer prefers the human touch, you deserve a decent wage.
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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    And of course you know what's reasonable and what's not.
    You've gotta love arbitrary economics, they only deal in emotion and "we think......" and don't require any actual business knowledge to back them up, just
    "cause we say so and "we care".
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    No, it's a great way to lose exploitative employers.
    Spare me, businesses have expenses, and the higher the minimum wages the higher the liabilities, everything goes up from overhead to tax burdens, all while budgets don't, that costs people jobs, the end.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    So instead of getting a job with low pay, people will instead not get paid and suck off the state via welfare! Great plan! Just what we need, more babies..
    Pay people a living wage and they will not need to fall back on the state. Let's stop all this crap about poor employers being bled dry. You take on the responsibility of employing people, you don't pay them charity wages.


    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Roomba does the same job and I only need to pay $100 once. Why is her job valuable again?..
    I'm assumling Roomba is a robot?
    Quality dear boy, and the human touch. Our cleaners are worth thousands of your robots.


    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    And of course you know what's reasonable and what's not.
    If on a full time wage you cannot afford to lodge yourself decently, to have adequate health care, to feed yourself and clothe yourself without hardship or resorting to a second and even third job, then your full-time wage is not reasonable. That in the same organisation the difference between the lowest and the highest wage can be a hundredfold is obscene.
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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Spare me, businesses have expenses, and the higher the minimum wages the higher the liabilities, everything goes up from overhead to tax burdens, all while budgets don't, that costs people jobs, the end.
    If businesses really can't survive without paying people poverty wages, you are essentially asserting that capitalism doesn't work.
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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    If businesses really can't survive without paying people poverty wages, you are essentially asserting that capitalism doesn't work.
    Don't know how you get to this particular conclusion. Capitalism is based on economic law, supply and demand, this does not exclude labor. When government mandates labors minimal value by social law it essentially invalidates the advantages of free market capitalism by assigning a value that is not in reality what some labor is worth.
    Real world example here: I am contemplating starting a drum company in my home state and would love to make a superior product at a less than custom cost, and would love to have a team of people to drill-paint-and assemble the sets, assembling of the sets is the easist part, employee takes a screwdriver, puts the lug assembly into it's pre-drilled place, and screws it in. Is THAT worth 7/hr? No, it isn't as I can do about 10-20 myself without paying anything extra, sorry high school kid who wanted a fun job, I don't need you for what your value is assessed at, At worst I'll have a paint department and assign full assemblage duties to the driller, he will get less sets built in an hour by far, but, I only have to pay one employee past minimum wage and I am still saving money from an overpaid screwdriver jockey.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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