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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    How is someone being exploited?

    Does someone working part time as a cashier at a supermarket deserve 30k a year?
    They deserve correct remuneration for the work they do, and a minimum wage helps prevent their explotation.
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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    Nobody advocated equal wages for doctors and burger bar workers.
    Neither did I.

    The fact remains that a civilized society would want to encourage productive labor and higher education. Raising the minimum wage to a living wage accomplishes neither, and could well act as a deterrent to both. A great economy, would discourage a living wage particularly for non-productive jobs. My sister in law is working this summer at a resort. She gets paid minimum wage to sit at the door of a pool, and make sure that people are members or guests of the resort. She's not even a lifeguard. She mostly sits there and reads a book during her shift. What is it about her job that deserves a living wage?
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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Neither did I.

    The fact remains that a civilized society would want to encourage productive labor and higher education. Raising the minimum wage to a living wage accomplishes neither, and could well act as a deterrent to both. A great economy, would discourage a living wage particularly for non-productive jobs. My sister in law is working this summer at a resort. She gets paid minimum wage to sit at the door of a pool, and make sure that people are members or guests of the resort. She's not even a lifeguard. She mostly sits there and reads a book during her shift. What is it about her job that deserves a living wage?
    She's preventing theft, i.e. unauthorized, unpaid for use of the facilities. She's very useful indeed. Her employer could be more creative about training her in lifeguard skills, customer care skills etc.
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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    She's preventing theft, i.e. unauthorized, unpaid for use of the facilities. She's very usefulm indeed. Her employer could be more creative about training her in lifeguard skills, customer care skills etc.
    So how much a year should she make, as a living wage, for her great contribuition to our society and her employer? is $30,000 a year enough? What if she has kids, should she get more since her living expenses will increase exponentially?
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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    So how much a year should she make, as a living wage, for her great contribuition to our society and her employer? is $30,000 a year enough? What if she has kids, should she get more since her living expenses will increase exponentially?
    She should not be paid a pittance. If she has kids she should be getting child benefit from the state, as in civilized nations.
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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Lets get some things straight here,

    1. Just because you exist does not mean anyone owes you anything.

    2. If you do not like the pay being offered by a prospective employer, don't work for them. it's that simple.

    3. If you are 40 and still making minimum wage, it tells everyone a lot more about you than your employer. You are most likely a non achiever.

    4. More education = more money.
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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    The British experience proved the opposite.
    If I read this article correctly, minimum wage in Britain isn't much higher than it is in the U.S.

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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Lets get some things straight here,

    1. Just because you exist does not mean anyone owes you anything.

    2. If you do not like the pay being offered by a prospective employer, don't work for them. it's that simple.

    3. If you are 40 and still making minimum wage, it tells everyone a lot more about you than your employer. You are most likely a non achiever.

    4. More education = more money.

    1. Children are our future. Civilized societies recognise this and give a helping hand to those who have children, their upkeep being very expensive indeed. It's called solidarity. I am childless by choice and I happily pay my taxes towards the child allowances my reproducing fellow citizens receive.

    2. The alternative to inadequate pay for many is unemployment and even worse poverty.

    3. I have the greatest respect for one of the cleaners where I work. She is about 50 and has always been a cleaner. She takes great pride in her work and does it very well, always with a smile. She didn't want ot need to study to become an astro-physicist. She does deserve enough money to live on. Thankfully she does her thankless job because somebody has to and we'd be stuffed if we couldn't fill her post.

    4. But not to obscene differences. Keep the differential reasonable.
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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    If I read this article correctly, minimum wage in Britain isn't much higher than it is in the U.S.

    £5.80 - about 10 dollars an hour at current exchange rates (approaching 15 dollars before the pound recently crashed)

    Unemployment wasn't affected (it has since been affected by bankers' greed and incompetence) and the world didn't end at the introduction of a minimum wage. Many families however, were lifted out of poverty.
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    Re: Higher Minimum Wage Coming Soon

    Quote Originally Posted by Picaro View Post
    Hoover did no such thing. He merely asked employers to not treat labor as a commodity, for moral reasons; they universally ignored him.
    You're a ****ing liar. Read this and tell me what you think about what Hoover accomplished.

    Herbert Hoover's Depression by Murray N. Rothbard

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