[quote]You are 100% wrong. Factories, labor, management, and even stocks are the means to production, and government now owns a majority share, also, this isn't just GM but Chrysler as well, and the president himself is the reason that there exists a new CEO of GM, that is a form of socialism, is it complete socialism, no, honesty demands I concede that, but there is also the long standing lease system of oil drilling, extremists in the E.P.A., the former Fairness Doctrine, etc. This is socialism. Socialism is any system in which the government owns the means of production, it's not about complete ownership, just ownership, and again, defacto ownership such as the oppressive regulation inherent in most businesses these days is assertion of that premise.Even your reference to GM was simply inaccurate, since apart from the mere partial ownership involved, full management options were not utilized, GM does not even constitute the entirety of the auto industry, let alone the means of production, and even complete government ownership of the means of production is not a sufficient condition for socialism since consolidation of power within the control of a state is often purely antithetical to legitimate public ownership and management. This subject has absolutely nothing to do with socialism.
It is absolutely a response, direct management comes about because of those very abuses and oversteps that I mentioned, it just takes longer.This isn't even a response to my post, for one thing, and formal "ownership" is often rather distinct from direct management in the capitalist economy, for another.
No, you are contorting the definition to be a 100% or nothing and that isn't the case, so yes, I will call you on it.I'm referring to the only valid definition: Socialism is the public ownership and management of the means of production. Your definition is based on the misapplication of the label to authoritarian state capitalism (bogus "socialism") and the mixed economy, which is typically a technique of anti-socialists unable to offer legitimate criticism.