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    Re: Pair jailed for web race crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    Sure the people, they can launch a peasants revolt like they did centuries gone by. They will still probably be crushed though.
    This literally has little to do with my point. I am not calling for a revolution in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    Look pal, I'm trying to say "hey why don't we try to PREVENT the abuses from occurring, rather than letting the government impoverish us so much that we have no other recourse than to revolt."
    I am not your "pal."

    Now please point out where I said anything at all about "letting the government impoverish us" or anything even remotely close.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    I mean, if you hate people and you want them to suffer as much as possible, then I can understand where you're coming from with your comments, but I would prefer people to begin DEFENDING WHAT THEY HAVE and revolting before it's all gone rather than lose everything and then fight.
    Are you going to get even deeper into your fallacy argument? Or are you going to move back into the realm of what I really said and respond logically?

    Here is my initial comment...

    "That is a pretty over the top statement.

    We in the US (unlike the UK) have a recourse to stop such laws. The problem is will the people actually stand up and say no more.
    " - Blackdog

    We have a legal recourse, in England they don't. Now respond to my actual statement and stop making some kind of moonbat rant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    America won it's independence through violence and it seems as though over the time since then we've become so fat and lazy we just assume this is how the revolutionary war was won.
    Ahhhh yea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    America is a nation of peasants; you are a peasant and if you need to be wiped out before you come to terms with reality, then you're going to suffer more than you would had you done something about it sooner.
    Again nothing at all to do with anything I said.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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    Re: Pair jailed for web race crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I am not your "pal."

    Now please point out where I said anything at all about "letting the government impoverish us" or anything even remotely close.
    Listen buddy, the government has already begun the process of impoverishing the people. I don't see you doing a damn thing about it. At least I'm trying to call attention to the fact that the US people are being screwed financially, their rights are being ignored, the rule of law is being ignored, and here you are fighting with me.

    We in the US (unlike the UK) have a recourse to stop such laws. The problem is will the people actually stand up and say no more.

    We have a legal recourse, in England they don't. Now respond to my actual statement and stop making some kind of moonbat rant.
    Legal recourse? Like remember when the USSC voided the contracts of US auto bond holders in preference of political expediency? Yeah, where's this "rule of law" defense you're saying US citizens had. What good is "rule of law" if it is thrown out in favor of political agendas? What recourse did the bond holders have? You are putting entirely too much faith in the court system, a court system that is mostly inaccessable to the common person.

    Face it, you're just a weed-like peasant that has no problem getting mowed down. You might as well just pack up and move to England if that's how you feel.

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    Re: Pair jailed for web race crimes

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    ..So you hate him because the group of people who he's enciting hate against is YOUR group? If that's not what you're implying, maybe you should edit this or something...
    You got it, sport.
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    Re: Pair jailed for web race crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    Listen buddy, the government has already begun the process of impoverishing the people. I don't see you doing a damn thing about it.
    I am not your "buddy" pal.

    Amazing, you don't even know my name and yet you know exactly what I am doing politically. Please tell me what I am thinking right now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    At least I'm trying to call attention to the fact that the US people are being screwed financially, their rights are being ignored, the rule of law is being ignored, and here you are fighting with me.
    Because debating on a message board is absolutely the best way to get your message out. In the end unlike you I am not pretending to know what you are doing other than debating here, which means little.

    As for the rest, what does any of that have to do with what I said or even implied? I will tell you, nothing.

    Nothing so far but fallacy and a minor ad-hom. Hopefully this gets better down below.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    Legal recourse? Like remember when the USSC voided the contracts of US auto bond holders in preference of political expediency? Yeah, where's this "rule of law" defense you're saying US citizens had.
    Yes unlike England we can challenge it in court or vote the person out of office. Pretty simple don't you think? Or you can sit on your butt in front of a computer and whine about it as if someone here cares what you think. Amazing how logic works.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    What good is "rule of law" if it is thrown out in favor of political agendas? What recourse did the bond holders have? You are putting entirely too much faith in the court system, a court system that is mostly inaccessable to the common person.
    I am doing nothing but making the statement that we do have a legal discourse. Whether the people choose to use it or not is irrelevant. It is there for use.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    Face it, you're just a weed-like peasant that has no problem getting mowed down. You might as well just pack up and move to England if that's how you feel.
    And you finish off with more mind reading and ad-hom's. Added just a touch of righteous indignation too boot. Nice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Pair jailed for web race crimes

    You're dreaming if you think I'm going line by line through all of that. I concede absolutely nothing. So if you want to take it upon yourself to do the heroic action of......doing absolutely nothing and putting your life into the hands of the government go right ahead, but it's that exact same thing I'm trying to get folks to realize is so dangerous.

    BTW, you don't seem to understand what an ad-hom is. An ad-hom is where instead of attacking the pathetic doctrine of a person, you attack the person directly. That's fallacious and I've never been in favor of that. I've always been in favor of refuting the doctrine and THEN going on to attack the person---that's not an ad-hom.

    Also, you completely ignored what happened to the bond holders and how it demonstrates your little ditty about legal recourse is completely and totally unreliable as a means of protecting your rights.
    Last edited by Liz Peeps; 07-13-09 at 10:51 PM.

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    Re: Pair jailed for web race crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You got it, sport.

    Lol, arrogant much? Though I guess hating on someone for hating on you doesn't mean you're denying them free speech, so whatever I suppose.
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    Re: Pair jailed for web race crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    You're dreaming if you think I'm going line by line through all of that.
    Don't care one way or the other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    I concede absolutely nothing.
    Nothing for you to concede. You have failed to address any of my points, so thats, that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    So if you want to take it upon yourself to do the heroic action of......doing absolutely nothing and putting your life into the hands of the government go right ahead, but it's that exact same thing I'm trying to get folks to realize is so dangerous.
    Again this has literally nothing to do with anything I said.

    Here we go with the mind reading again. Please feel free to post my social security number as you seem to know so much about my life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    BTW, you don't seem to understand what an ad-hom is. An ad-hom is where instead of attacking the pathetic doctrine of a person, you attack the person directly.
    "Listen buddy, the government has already begun the process of impoverishing the people. I don't see you doing a damn thing about it." - Liz Peeps

    "Face it, you're just a weed-like peasant that has no problem getting mowed down. You might as well just pack up and move to England if that's how you feel." - Liz Peeps

    "I mean, if you hate people and you want them to suffer as much as possible, then I can understand where you're coming from with your comments" - Liz Peeps

    "you are a peasant and if you need to be wiped out before you come to terms with reality, then you're going to suffer more than you would had you done something about it sooner." - Liz Peeps

    Adhom-

    An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.


    Seems I am correct in my usage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    That's fallacious and I've never been in favor of that. I've always been in favor of refuting the doctrine and THEN going on to attack the person---that's not an ad-hom.
    I have shown above this is indeed a fabrication.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    Also, you completely ignored what happened to the bond holders and how it demonstrates your little ditty about legal recourse is completely and totally unreliable as a means of protecting your rights.
    Yes I did.

    Come 2010 and 2012 we can vote the president and anyone else who did this out of office.

    We most certainly do have a recourse.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Pair jailed for web race crimes

    No, your application of ad hominem fallacy is incorrect. I have refuted your doctrine of "we have legal recourse" by giving you a very recent example of how legal recourse can evaporate so quickly for political reasons. We have legal recourse until it becomes a political matter, the courts will throw your ass out under a bus without a second thought. What recourse was available to them? You can't vote out Supreme Court Justices.

    Yes I did.

    Come 2010 and 2012 we can vote the president and anyone else who did this out of office.

    We most certainly do have a recourse.
    "Yes I did"? You're agreeing with me that you ignored that point?
    Last edited by Liz Peeps; 07-13-09 at 11:23 PM.

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    Re: Pair jailed for web race crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    No, your application of ad hominem fallacy is incorrect.
    This is a lie. Do I need to repost the examples of you calling me names?

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    I have refuted your doctrine of "we have legal recourse" by giving you a very recent example of how legal recourse can evaporate so quickly for political reasons.
    A denial of a stay is not a decision on the merits of the underlying legal issues,” the high court’s ruling said. The brief opinion set out the court’s standards for a stay, which include the “reasonable probability that four Justices” would agree to hear the case. “ - Chrysler sale clears last hurdle - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

    Well this has no relevance as it was only a stay for review.

    "From Saturday through this morning, the court was peppered with applications from pension funds, accident victims and others whose legal claims would be devalued or wiped out as part of the Fiat-Chrysler deal.

    The justices also received filings from the U.S. government, Chrysler, Fiat, and the United Auto Workers urging the court to allow the takeover to proceed.
    "

    So the wheels continue to turn.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    We have legal recourse until it becomes a political matter, the courts will throw your ass out under a bus without a second thought. What recourse was available to them? You can't vote out Supreme Court Justices.
    "From Saturday through this morning, the court was peppered with applications from pension funds, accident victims and others whose legal claims would be devalued or wiped out as part of the Fiat-Chrysler deal."

    Looks like they have recourse according to your article.

    Or as I already said you can vote the people who put the justices there out of office. How hard is this to understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    "Yes I did"? You're agreeing with me that you ignored that point?
    No. I am saying I addressed it as irrelevant. And it is still so according to your own article.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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    Re: Pair jailed for web race crimes

    And what right, in your view, did the government have to intervene in that example?

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