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    Re: Schumer: Immigration bill to be ready by Labor Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Here's a better idea: do away with minimum-wage laws and all the taxes employers are required to pay when hiring workers. That would make the desire to hire strictly illegal immigrants go away, not to mention doing wonders for the economy. It's also a hell of a lot simpler than the big government solution of apprehending, trying and transporting people who will be back here again a week later.
    When you say, "taxes", are you referring to medicare and SS matching that employers have to do?

    Doing away with minimum wage laws isn't going to fix anything. People just aren't going to work for 3$ per hour and I don't blame them. They can make more than that on welfare, which is what all the new American citizens are going to figure out and be on welare quicker than you flick flies off of ****.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Schumer: Immigration bill to be ready by Labor Day

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What would make the most sense, IMO, is to not inject 20 million more workers into an economy when we already have an unemployment rate of 9.5% and climbing.
    And how many of that 9.5% is really, honestly going to work construction, or some other similar job?

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    Re: Schumer: Immigration bill to be ready by Labor Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Donkey1499 View Post
    And how many of that 9.5% is really, honestly going to work construction, or some other similar job?
    Let's create some jobs for them and find out. Most of the increase is made up of blue collar workers, so I would say that most of them would work those jobs.

    But, you can't look at it with tunnel vision. You must also consider all the support industries of those construction jobs that will benefit.
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    Re: Schumer: Immigration bill to be ready by Labor Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Where did I suggest taking any resources away from catching rapists and murderers? I did not in fact.
    There isn't enough people at ICE to even make a dent in the problem. Therefore you must use state and local law enforcement
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    I also do not attempt to dismiss people committing a fairly serious crime by calling it "an administrative offense".
    So serious it's not even a felony?

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    Re: Schumer: Immigration bill to be ready by Labor Day

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Let's create some jobs for them and find out. Most of the increase is made up of blue collar workers, so I would say that most of them would work those jobs.

    But, you can't look at it with tunnel vision. You must also consider all the support industries of those construction jobs that will benefit.
    Right, and somewhere in this thread (I'm guessing in the OP, in the copypasta'd article) it was said that engineers and all that stuff are needed. But also, how many of that 9.5% have the education/experience required to work those high level jobs? How many of the illegal immigrants have the education/experience required? Only some kind of education reform (maybe) can fix that issue, and not so much a lame "amnesty" bill.

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    Re: Schumer: Immigration bill to be ready by Labor Day

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When you say, "taxes", are you referring to medicare and SS matching that employers have to do?
    Yes.
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    Doing away with minimum wage laws isn't going to fix anything. People just aren't going to work for 3$ per hour and I don't blame them. They can make more than that on welfare, which is what all the new American citizens are going to figure out and be on welare quicker than you flick flies off of ****.
    Yes, let's do away with welfare, too. Perhaps it would get people working, but if not, that's not my problem. I'd rather see a level playing field for everyone who desires to work. Right now, the deck is stacked against those who attempt to follow the law, and that's not right.

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    Re: Schumer: Immigration bill to be ready by Labor Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    There isn't enough people at ICE to even make a dent in the problem. Therefore you must use state and local law enforcement
    That is fine. If more money is needed, so be it. Tracking down criminals is worth spending money on.

    So serious it's not even a felony?
    Neither is drunk driving. Things don't have to be a felony to be a serious criminal act.

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    Re: Schumer: Immigration bill to be ready by Labor Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is fine. If more money is needed, so be it. Tracking down criminals is worth spending money on.
    Where are you getting this money? As it stands now, DC has been trying to make municipalities enforce immigration laws as an unfunded mandate. Since it isn't being funded, it must necessarily draw down police manpower levels.
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    Neither is drunk driving. Things don't have to be a felony to be a serious criminal act.
    Drunk driving is piloting several tons of metal at a high rate of speed while voluntarily impaired, which is wrong in and of itself -- a malum in se. An immigration violation is basically crossing an arbitrary line without official permission, which is only "wrong" because there is a law forbidding it -- a malum prohibitum. They are not comparable.

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    Re: Schumer: Immigration bill to be ready by Labor Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Illegal immigration is not the fault of any government, but the fault of the people who chose to break laws to improve their situation.
    Actually, the trade liberalization angle will reveal the fact that governments that negotiated trade agreements that provided financial benefits that accrued overwhelmingly in the interests of the American (and to a lesser extent, the Mexican) financial class bear responsibility for the exacerbation of inequitable international wage differentials and destabilization amongst the Mexican working classes that created a need for immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There is no excuse for being a criminal.
    Of course there is. Civil disobedience, for example, was and is based on the violation of laws in accordance with presumed higher ethical standards. In this case, an interest in sustenance seems a fairly appropriate cause for lawbreaking.

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    Re: Schumer: Immigration bill to be ready by Labor Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Where are you getting this money? As it stands now, DC has been trying to make municipalities enforce immigration laws as an unfunded mandate. Since it isn't being funded, it must necessarily draw down police manpower levels.
    So fund it. The cost of improved enforcement would be small in the overall scheme of the annual budget. We will never get all, but we can do better.


    Drunk driving is piloting several tons of metal at a high rate of speed while voluntarily impaired, which is wrong in and of itself -- a malum in se. An immigration violation is basically crossing an arbitrary line without official permission, which is only "wrong" because there is a law forbidding it -- a malum prohibitum. They are not comparable.
    Nice evasion. Drunk driving is not a felony, but is a serious crime. Being an illegal immigrant is not a felony, but is a serious crime. You may not think it is serious, and that is fine, you are welcome to your opinion, but to many of us, it is serious to have people enter our country without using the legal process.

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