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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They have to do testing and developing of things. Do you think new drugs and such are just poofed into existence? There's a lot of biology, chemistry, and medical science going into the development and understanding of these things. Along with poisons, bacterium and the likes which can infect food, these specific types of toxins must be identified, controlled, and regulated. Then laws regarding the regulation, dosage, etc are created off of testing of the items for safe food or drug use. Jesus do you really think there's no science going into things? What about cars? The government makes rules on safety ratings based on...du du duuuuu.....SCIENCE. You do experiments, you make tests, you take statistics, and based off of that they make regulations and ratings. And that's just two examples. Wow. Just wow.

    Facts, not theory. You do know the difference. Yes?
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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore

    Here's another one.

    Universities researching here-and-now solutions to global warming stand the best chance of snagging part of the $100 million in grant money that's been offered up for the cause by The Doris Duke Charitable Foundation (DDCF). Specifically, the foundation is most interested in funding research efforts that promise to encourage rapid deployment of existing clean-energy technologies, or spur the development of new technology breakthroughs.

    The Greentree Gazette: $100 Million in Grant Money Available For Global Warming Research
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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Facts, not theory. You do know the difference. Yes?
    I'm a scientist, I know what science is. Your statement was ludacris and now you're trying to back peddle out. The government is intricately intertwined with science. They fund a ton of base science, they regulate a lot of science and engineering, the need a lot of science. Try having a modern day military without science. Separation of science and state....HA! Laughable at best. The Department of Energy funds lots of science, and they regulate even more based on scientific results and testing. Same with the Department of Defense.

    You asked what science the FDA used, I told you. You're moving your goalposts because of the answer. You never stated scientific theory. You said:

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    There needs to be an amendment enforces a seperation science and state. It's just, if not more rediculous to enact laws based on science as it is to enact laws based on religion.
    What in there says "theory"? You said science, that's it. Not theoretical science, not proven science, just science; which encompasses it all. Now you're trying to back out, you're changing the goal posts. You've been shown wrong, there is plenty the government does based on and for science. Government needs science, government will fund science, government will regulate certain things and technologies based on science. You're original statement is ridiculous, deal with it.

    Trying to come up with your little snide "fact or theory...doe you know the difference" crap when what you said was completely wrong. Face the facts you got your ass handed to you on this one.
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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm a scientist, I know what science is.
    that's explains everything. Biased much? You have the same amount of credibility as a Baptist preacher.
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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    that's explains everything. Biased much? You have the same amount of credibility as a Baptist preacher.
    nice dodge. Good to see you can't actually argue a point or engage in intellectually honest debate. Good show

    Again, fact is that on this point, you just got your ass handed to you and now you're practically falling over yourself trying to back out. Running away from this debate faster than Palin ran from the Alaskan governorship. HAHAHA. Children shouldn't try to debate adults, you'll only embarrass yourself.
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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    nice dodge. Good to see you can't actually argue a point or engage in intellectually honest debate. Good show

    Again, fact is that on this point, you just got your ass handed to you and now you're practically falling over yourself trying to back out.
    You're not interested in honest debate. You're only interested in telling the unwashed masses what's fact and what isn't. Only difference between someone like yourself and a Penecostal preacher, is that preacher beats a Bible. You beat a science book. One's just as full of crap as the other.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're not interested in honest debate. You're only interested in telling the unwashed masses what's fact and what isn't. Only difference between someone like yourself and a Penecostal preacher, is that preacher beats a Bible. You beat a science book. One's just as full of crap as the other.
    Except that science has a lot more to back it up. Religion is faith-based.

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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're not interested in honest debate. You're only interested in telling the unwashed masses what's fact and what isn't. Only difference between someone like yourself and a Penecostal preacher, is that preacher beats a Bible. You beat a science book. One's just as full of crap as the other.
    This is dumb. You said there should be forced separation of science and state, I have clearly given real world examples of government needing science, of funding science, of being intertwined with science. You have not ONCE been able to counter those examples, or shown why science and government should have to be separated when government needs science. The failure is all yours, an epic fail if you will. HAHAHAH. Again, the fact is that you got your ass handed to you on this point.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This is dumb. You said there should be forced separation of science and state, I have clearly given real world examples of government needing science, of funding science, of being intertwined with science. You have not ONCE been able to counter those examples, or shown why science and government should have to be separated when government needs science. The failure is all yours, an epic fail if you will. HAHAHAH. Again, the fact is that you got your ass handed to you on this point.
    Personally, I'm concerned that anyone would try to put religion and science on the same level as if they are on some sort of level playing ground.

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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Except that science has a lot more to back it up. Religion is faith-based.
    What backs it up? A scientist's word that it's fact? The preacher gives us his word, too. Seems to me that both are based on faith.

    As with religion, there are scientists that say that other scientists are wrong. And, as with religion, it's all about who you want to believe.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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