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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This is absurd, unbacked claim on your part. I have not alluded to in the least that our "faith in science will get us killed". That's a blatant lie and distortion of truth on your part. Science has overall created MUCH more benefit than "harm". It has expanded our life spans, it has allowed us to keep food longer, to develop medicine, to create vehicles which are safer, to produce many luxuries such as cell phone technology used by many people every day. Government further needs science to keep on the cutting edge of technologies and to ensure our military is always the best in the world. Billions of dollars? Maybe over a many year period, fine. But it's not the biggest section of the funding pie, not by a long shot. Government wants and needs science for our military, for our economy, for our medical technologies, for the convenience of the People themselves.
    Let's see, so far you've called me a liar, an idiot and absurd. Preachers have names for folks that don't believe, too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So far, crap science has cost this country billions and will cost us billions more. Obviously, there's a place for science, but intertwining science and government isn't that place.

    it's almost as if you saying that our faith in science will get us killed. That was the religious mindset for hundreds of years.
    Well, you have to distinguish between science and the crap the politicians use to concoct assinine laws.

    It wasn't science the engendered Roe vs Wade and the subsequent murders of tens of millions of babies, is was the avoidance of science.

    If the law waited for science, as it should have, it would have come to the conclusion that abortion kills humans. The politicians wouldn't have liked that. They've been avoiding that bit of science for decades now, and still haven't legislated a consistent definition of the term "human".

    If the law waited for science to come to a conclusion, there wouldn't be a Crap&Trade bill wending through Congress seeking to steal hundreds of billions of dollars and shut down America's coal miners. Too bad they elected their Messiah, huh?

    Law rarely waits for science. The people are too stupid to even begin to understand the issues. Instead, the conmen typically concoct some half-assed scientific sounding nonsense that scares enough people to demand support for whatever silly legislation it is the conmen are seeking to line their pockets with.

    Remember the air-bag nonsense? The engineering analysis of their effectiveness wasn't fully determined, but Congress was passing legislation forcing them, and their costs, on us anyway.

    You'll notice city buses and school buses do no have seat belts, nor do city buses suffer from the same absurd emission requirements the other motor vehicles in California do.

    No, politics isn't about science, politicians do not use science, except superficially. Politics is all about emotion and shell games. Hasn't changed in millenia.

    The ultimate problem is, naturally, that ignorant and stupid people, who far out number us, are allowed to vote...by the politicians that want as many stupid and ignorant voters as possible.

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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Well, you have to distinguish between science and the crap the politicians use to concoct assinine laws.

    It wasn't science the engendered Roe vs Wade and the subsequent murders of tens of millions of babies, is was the avoidance of science.

    If the law waited for science, as it should have, it would have come to the conclusion that abortion kills humans. The politicians wouldn't have liked that. They've been avoiding that bit of science for decades now, and still haven't legislated a consistent definition of the term "human".

    If the law waited for science to come to a conclusion, there wouldn't be a Crap&Trade bill wending through Congress seeking to steal hundreds of billions of dollars and shut down America's coal miners. Too bad they elected their Messiah, huh?

    Law rarely waits for science. The people are too stupid to even begin to understand the issues. Instead, the conmen typically concoct some half-assed scientific sounding nonsense that scares enough people to demand support for whatever silly legislation it is the conmen are seeking to line their pockets with.

    Remember the air-bag nonsense? The engineering analysis of their effectiveness wasn't fully determined, but Congress was passing legislation forcing them, and their costs, on us anyway.

    You'll notice city buses and school buses do no have seat belts, nor do city buses suffer from the same absurd emission requirements the other motor vehicles in California do.

    No, politics isn't about science, politicians do not use science, except superficially. Politics is all about emotion and shell games. Hasn't changed in millenia.

    Granted, junk science is being used to justify green laws and part of that is the avoidance of real science, however in the cases we see before us now, science is being used as justification for legislation the same way that religion has.

    The ultimate problem is, naturally, that ignorant and stupid people, who far out number us, are allowed to vote...by the politicians that want as many stupid and ignorant voters as possible.
    I think that we need to go back to the days of only certain people being allowed to vote. Welfare recipients shouldn't be allowed to vote. Anyone that doesn't pay taxes shouldn't be allowed to vote. Career students living off student loans shouldn't be allowed to vote. For those who pass those qualifications, there should be a basic knowledge test that has to be passed before they are allowed to register.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore


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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Granted, junk science is being used to justify green laws and part of that is the avoidance of real science, however in the cases we see before us now, science is being used as justification for legislation the same way that religion has.
    No.

    Junk science is being used. AGW is junk, nothing more.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think that we need to go back to the days of only certain people being allowed to vote.
    I'm all for that. I'm the certainest person I know.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Welfare recipients shouldn't be allowed to vote.
    Not until their loans and interest are fully paid back.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Anyone that doesn't pay taxes shouldn't be allowed to vote.
    Fine in theory, and I agree, but horribly dependent on what taxes we're talking about. Everyone pays sales tax, for example.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Career students living off student loans shouldn't be allowed to vote.
    Agreed.

    Most of them are too young to know what's up, anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    For those who pass those qualifications, there should be a basic knowledge test that has to be passed before they are allowed to register.
    Agreed.

    Not to mention providing proof of citizenship, registering far enough in advance of the election to allow a citizenship check, proof of ID at the polls, and the abolition of the absentee ballot except for medically certified mentally competent but physically incapacitated (ie, BEDRIDDEN - wheelchairs can go to polls, and take their passengers with them) voters meeting all other eligibility requirements. (Military and consulate personnel overseas are the only acceptable exception.)

    Without all those fraudulent absentee ballots, Franken (will he share committee chairs with Feinstein, making them Franken-stein seats?) would be contaminating the Senate now. Don't expect him to vote in favor of these ideas.

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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore

    Scarecrow posted:Fine in theory, and I agree, but horribly dependent on what taxes we're talking about. Everyone pays sales tax, for example.
    I'm talking about income taxes. If you haven't been raped by the IRS, after busting your ass all year to make a living, you don't get to vote.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore

    NOT SO FAST...

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I already did and all the personal attacks in th world isn't going to change that.
    No, you posted Opinion Pieces not factual reporting. So, you HAVE NOT posted any FACTS to back up your statements. Want to try again?

    Also, now that you've accused me attacking you personally, would you mind showing me exactly what I said that was a personal attack. Do you understand the meaning of "giving you benefit of the doubt."?

    I clearly said that I don't think you're stupid, but, in a rush to post something, anything to back up your claims, you posted Op-Ed pieces. It happens.

    However, now I'm giving you an opportunity to save face and post something that backs up your claims...

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How much money do those groups stand to make from global warming grants? Is it millions, or billions?

    There's more cash involved with global warming research than there is in the oil and gas industry.
    Just kindly back that statement up with some LINKS TO FACTS and I will be more than happy to review those facts. Again, this is your opportunity to prove that what you said is true. Will you take that opportunity?

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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    NOT SO FAST...



    No, you posted Opinion Pieces not factual reporting. So, you HAVE NOT posted any FACTS to back up your statements. Want to try again?

    Also, now that you've accused me attacking you personally, would you mind showing me exactly what I said that was a personal attack. Do you understand the meaning of "giving you benefit of the doubt."?

    I clearly said that I don't think you're stupid, but, in a rush to post something, anything to back up your claims, you posted Op-Ed pieces. It happens.

    However, now I'm giving you an opportunity to save face and post something that backs up your claims...



    Just kindly back that statement up with some LINKS TO FACTS and I will be more than happy to review those facts. Again, this is your opportunity to prove that what you said is true. Will you take that opportunity?
    I've shown you the information. Op-eds, or not, they used factual information to make their point. If you think that I'm the least bit worried about losing face, then you have issues that this forum won't help. Grow up!

    Got anything to refute my documentation? Didn't think so. Have a nice day.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Personally, I'm concerned that anyone would try to put religion and science on the same level as if they are on some sort of level playing ground.
    When dealing with hypothesis and theory someone making the statement would be correct. As is MMGW is a theory at best and the evidence for is weakening, the best data now is in the form of static computer models which don't factor in the dynamic nature of our ecology and it's complete relationship to exterior solar and gravitational factors, which we still haven't fully explained, as it stands, the global warming theory is as much dogma as any organized religion.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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    Re: Greenpeace activists arrested for banner on Mount Rushmore

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    That's a good way to get attention. Deface a national monument with a banner and then get tons of press about it. Current and future activist organizations of America, take note!
    As it were, I believe the local Native American tribe regards Mount Rushmore as sacred and the "monument" as an abomination. I suppose we all have our petty superstitions; some are just more nationalistic than others.

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