Obama Administration Grant Program De-Emphasizing Job Creation

Liz Peeps · Jul 8, 2009

TheNextEra said:
Uh you are the one that mentioned Dem/Rep not me.

UH UH UH see how smart I look when I start off by saying UH UH UH UH

UH, it appears, UH, that you're, UH UH still missing UH the UH po UH int UH

Because it is changing from the norm a (considered maybe by some progressive). Liberal aka progressive.

That's ridiculous and ultimately MEANINGLESS way to look at the word liberal. If person A says, "WE NEED HUGE FASCIST HITLER STYLE GOVERNMENT" and another says "WE NEED TO GO BACK TO JEFFERSONIAN PRINCIPLES" are you seriously going to say they are BOTH liberals, DESPITE the fact that they hold diametrically opposing viewpoints? If yes, then what meaning does the word "liberal" hold for you, it's like you're living in a ****ing Orwellian nightmare, either that or you're just equivocating because you don't know what you're babbling on about.

It actually is Liberal is known as progressive.

Go read about the history of the Progressive party and when you get done please tell me did the Progressive party have specific political goals they wanted to accomplish, or did they just want to change things constantly because they thought the newer an idea is the better it must be.

That can be a good or bad thing in situations. Conservative is keeping things the same. You cannot have a PURE conservative or PURE liberal society. It takes a balance which is my point.

Are you trying to say that a PURE conservative or PURE liberal society can exist?

And this stuff here is not even worth replying to, again you're missing the point that you're getting too hung up on a single word and your infantile understanding of what you think the word represents.

G.I. Joe · Jul 8, 2009

^^^^Thanks. You saved me another post.

Liz Peeps · Jul 8, 2009

TheNextEra said:
Maybe he would by some, but by DEFINITION, he would be liberal. A liberal is considered to be a progressive. Is ALL progressive good?

Is progressive towards fascism good? Is progressive towards slavery good?

That doesn't mean all liberalism is bad, but it doesn't mean all liberalism is good.

It means you're depriving the word liberal of meaning.

If person A says "we need universal health care and we need it to work right" and so they go and pass a pretty good health care bill and accomplish that goal. And then person B comes along two years from then and says "we need to abolish the health care system" and person A says "no lets not, it's really quite good and affordable"-------is Person A the conservative and Person B the liberal? Because Person A wants to keep a working system around, OBVIOUSLY you think he is a conservative right? And so Person B must be a liberal? Does this make sense to you how you're basically abusing the word? You use of the word like that makes it meaningless. Because if liberal means to be a person who changes things, you really have to ask yourself does that mean changing things regardless of a starting point, or does Liberalism represent a political ideology rather than a mere paradoxical phenomenon.

TheNextEra · Jul 8, 2009

Liz Peeps said:
UH UH UH see how smart I look when I start off by saying UH UH UH UH

UH, it appears, UH, that you're, UH UH still missing UH the UH po UH int UH

Nothing here worth reading from you.

Liz Peeps said:
That's ridiculous and ultimately MEANINGLESS way to look at the word liberal. If person A says, "WE NEED HUGE FASCIST HITLER STYLE GOVERNMENT" and another says "WE NEED TO GO BACK TO JEFFERSONIAN PRINCIPLES" are you seriously going to say they are BOTH liberals, DESPITE the fact that they hold diametrically opposing viewpoints? If yes, then what meaning does the word "liberal" hold for you, it's like you're living in a ****ing Orwellian nightmare, either that or you're just equivocating because you don't know what you're babbling on about.

You obviously don't know what liberal means. Your insults are cute, but don't anything about what liberal means.

Liz Peeps said:
Go read about the history of the Progressive party and when you get done please tell me did the Progressive party have specific political goals they wanted to accomplish, or did they just want to change things constantly because they thought the newer an idea is the better it must be.

Again, you don't know what a liberal means.

Liz Peeps said:
And this stuff here is not even worth replying to, again you're missing the point that you're getting too hung up on a single word and your infantile understanding of what you think the word represents.

And you're hung up on that liberals are evil, so there is no point in talking to you since you don't even know what liberal means.

TheNextEra · Jul 8, 2009

Liz Peeps said:
It means you're depriving the word liberal of meaning.

When you know what the word liberal means, come back and talk to me, other than that there is no point in talking to you.

TheNextEra · Jul 8, 2009

G.I. Joe said:
^^^^Thanks. You saved me another post.

You mean you had something other to say than all liberals are evil? Color me shocked.

Liz Peeps · Jul 8, 2009

TheNextEra said:
When you know what the word liberal means, come back and talk to me, other than that there is no point in talking to you.

When it comes to what words like "liberal" and "conservative" mean in a practical, real-world way, I just whooped your ass boy.

I called you out, I caught you equivocating because you looked like a giant dufus because you're basically out there doing the good old 1984 thing "conservative is liberalism, liberalism is conservatism" and that's such a zombie way of thinking.

Whatever, I tried to set you straight. I pray to God that the next generation of Americans to take an interest in politics at least have the integrity to admit that words actually need to have meaning.

TheNextEra · Jul 8, 2009

Liz Peeps said:
When it comes to what words like "liberal" and "conservative" mean in a practical, real-world way, I just whooped your ass boy.

I called you out, I caught you equivocating because you looked like a giant dufus because you're basically out there doing the good old 1984 thing "conservative is liberalism, liberalism is conservatism" and that's such a zombie way of thinking.

Whatever, I tried to set you straight. I pray to God that the next generation of Americans to take an interest in politics at least have the integrity to admit that words actually need to have meaning.

I explained what liberal and conservative means, you disagreed.

That doesn't mean you whooped any anyone's ass. You're like a pigeon playing chess ****ting all over the place knocking down pieces and then declaring yourself the winner.

That's laughable at best.

You pray to god now? That's funny.

Liz Peeps · Jul 8, 2009

What's really funny is that you somehow think I'm "anti-liberal" dude I am WAY further to the left than you could ever HOPE to be and I'm saying don't go around mislabeling other political factions, because all you do is cause confusion and equivocate.

You're the Equivocator! I'm going to bribe vague into changing your name to "The Equivocator!" Seriously, because that's all you're doing here, you're equivocating.

Liz Peeps · Jul 8, 2009

TheNextEra said:
I explained what liberal and conservative means, you disagreed.

That doesn't mean you whooped any anyone's ass.

You pray to god now? That's funny.

Sing along: equivo-cation! equivo-cation, equivo-cation! equivocating the meaning of words DUN DUN DUN blurring the lines of reason and meaning of words DUN DUN DUN DUNNNNN EQUIVOCATION!!!!!

TheNextEra · Jul 8, 2009

Liz Peeps said:
What's really funny is that you somehow think I'm "anti-liberal" dude I am WAY further to the left than you could ever HOPE to be and I'm saying don't go around mislabeling other political factions, because all you do is cause confusion and equivocate.

You're the Equivocator! I'm going to bribe vague into changing your name to "The Equivocator!" Seriously, because that's all you're doing here, you're equivocating.

/YAWN Your funny and I am laughing my ass off.

You are further right than you can imagine maybe.

Liz Peeps · Jul 8, 2009

TheNextEra said:
/YAWN Your funny and I am laughing my ass off.

You are further right than you can imagine maybe.

What makes you think you have any ground to differentiate left from right, again, here you are equivocating left and right. It's amazing. It just doesn't stop with this guy.

I mean, really, who the hell do you think is buying it. Who do you think is buying the idea that you know the first thing about politics or political factions. Or language even. Seriously, you're like those people that call things "the bomb" one week, then the next week you call it "the ****". Only you're doing it during an actual discussion. You can't just change the meaning of words like that to fit your preconceived notion of the way things are, any goddamn time you want. Words have to have meaning and they are not open to your interpretation like that. To say one week that a CD is "cool" and the next week call it "hot" that's fine for stupid **** like pop culture nonsense, but in actual politics and philosophy your language needs to remain constant to remain coherent. When you start blurring the meanings like that your argument by definition incoherent.

Say it with me: equivocation. Eee que yooo eye vee oh cee ay tee eye oh enn. Equivocation.

G.I. Joe · Jul 8, 2009

TheNextEra said:
You mean you had something other to say than all liberals are evil? Color me shocked.

So that's what you chalk up my counter-argument to? Throughout our debate, I've just been coming up with elaborate ways to say liberals are evil? That's fine. Thanks for wasting my time, although it was useful to find out how you react to someone dismantling your logic, for future reference.

TheNextEra · Jul 9, 2009

Liz Peeps said:
What makes you think you have any ground to differentiate left from right, again, here you are equivocating left and right. It's amazing. It just doesn't stop with this guy.

I mean, really, who the hell do you think is buying it. Who do you think is buying the idea that you know the first thing about politics or political factions. Or language even. Seriously, you're like those people that call things "the bomb" one week, then the next week you call it "the ****". Only you're doing it during an actual discussion. You can't just change the meaning of words like that to fit your preconceived notion of the way things are, any goddamn time you want. Words have to have meaning and they are not open to your interpretation like that. To say one week that a CD is "cool" and the next week call it "hot" that's fine for stupid **** like pop culture nonsense, but in actual politics and philosophy your language needs to remain constant to remain coherent. When you start blurring the meanings like that your argument by definition incoherent.

Say it with me: equivocation. Eee que yooo eye vee oh cee ay tee eye oh enn. Equivocation.

sorry that is the way things are, by definition.

You are equivocating Liberal = Bad and Conservative = Good. It is hilarious.

You are the one that cannot stand the definitions for what they are.

Not everything liberal is bad, Not everything conservative is bad, not everything liberal is good, not everything conservative is good. These are facts, but you are so built up on Liberal=bad conservative = good. It's funny as ****.

Liz Peeps · Jul 9, 2009

TheNextEra said:
sorry that is the way things are, by definition.

You are equivocating Liberal = Bad and Conservative = Good. It is hilarious.

You are the one that cannot stand the definitions for what they are.

Not everything liberal is bad, Not everything conservative is bad, not everything liberal is good, not everything conservative is good. These are facts, but you are so built up on Liberal=bad conservative = good. It's funny as ****.

This is a classic example of something I see happening a lot here. When you get called out for your fallacies, and are embarrassed by the fact that someone has identified the flaws in your reasoning, they go ahead and accuse someone else of the very thing they are guilty of. You're taking what I said to you, and throwing it back at me with no original thought required.

I'm not saying everything liberal is bad, I'm not putting a value on liberalism at all. The only thing I'm doing with the term is retaining it's meaning.

And second, I'm being post-partisan here, so wrap that around your tiny little mind. I mean, how can I be against liberals when I'm a huge fan of Thomas Jefferson, the father of American liberalism?

apdst · Jul 9, 2009

Liz Peeps said:
Well it just goes to show you how easily things can be manipulated. Guys like Jefferson are now called "classic liberals" and the reason they're called classic is because what liberalism is today isn't what it used to be. So to say liberalism is responsible for everything good in the world is so plainly blind ideology speaking. Jefferson is going to end up being marginalized by the liberals, because as "liberalism" is stretched so further out than what is used to be, it's becoming something separate entirely, eventually Jefferson is going to be written in the history books as somewhat a rather fringe character in the creation of the USA, simply because the politics of the future will be so disconnected from what this country was supposed to be founded on. This country was founded mostly by rebels seeking relief from tyrannical government. And as government get bigger, there will be less emphasis on how important rebellion is to freedom.

Guys like Jefferson are called, "classic Liberals", by the Liberals...LOL!!!! There's some twisted school of thought out there that teaches that the Founders were Liberals because Liberalism is somehow the womb from which freedom was born.

It's utterly rediculus, because most of the governmental policies included in the Liberal agenda would make Jefferson roll over in his grave.

Liz Peeps · Jul 10, 2009

apdst said:
It's utterly rediculus, because most of the governmental policies included in the Liberal agenda would make Jefferson roll over in his grave.

that's the point. obama is going to make america energy independent by making the founding fathers spin so fast in their graves, that they can harness and provide energy for all americans and cars that never run out of energy.