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G.I. Joe said:
Ahhhh, I see. So since my views are consistently conservative, I am biased. Gotcha.
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Nope your views are not objective, just partisan. Even I disagree with Obama in many things, you are just anti-liberal aka partisan.
 
TheNextEra said:
Nope your views are not objective, just partisan. Even I disagree with Obama in many things, you are just anti-liberal aka partisan.
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Wow, that is quite the analysis considering I've only been here a couple days. You could charge big money for a talent like that.

Although you've taken the liberty of determining my mindset, I'll give you some issues that may make me seem more "objective" in your eyes. I agreed with the way President Obama handled the Somali pirate situation. I also agreed with his decision to keep Bob Gates on as SecDef.

There are also things that I disagreed with President Bush on, most notably his out of control spending.
 
G.I. Joe said:
Wow, that is quite the analysis considering I've only been here a couple days. You could charge big money for a talent like that.
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Only have what I can work with, and so far, do a search for yourself on your own posts and find how many anti-liberal posts you have made and not attacking any right positions.

What else do I have to go by, but your own words?
 
TheNextEra said:
Only have what I can work with, and so far, do a search for yourself on your own posts and find how many anti-liberal posts you have made and not attacking any right positions.

What else do I have to go by, but your own words?
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You can expect more anti-liberal posts in the future. I don't agree with the liberal mindset. However, that does not mean I lack the ability to look at something objectively, and i don't feel that I should have to "even out" my beliefs for the sake of seeming nonpartisan. I see things the way I see them, and so do you. To say that because the majority of my posts are critical of a certain line of thought means my opinion is somehow invalid or that I can only see things from a certain point of view is unfair, quite frankly. If I respond to a post with "Obama is a poopiehead", then you can go ahead and write me off as partisan. Until then, at least give me the benefit of the doubt that my opinions have substance.
 
G.I. Joe said:
Until then, at least give me the benefit of the doubt that my opinions have substance.
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Actually I did, until I read some of your anti-liberal posts. They ARE partisan. The liberal mindset is not the destroyer of worlds.

I personally think there should be a balance of conservative values and libera ones, but when you take a look at your posts, you seem to see the liberals as the devils.
 
You cannot explain the truth to fanatics blinded by their Messiah in Chief Obama who has been shown to be a liar time and again. He says one thing and does another and his disciples continue to dream up false arguments to defend his lies with more of the same. The Cap and TAX bill has a provision built in to change it after the vote. That should not surprise anyone since not a single person who voted on it bothered to read it. NOT A SINGLE PERSON. The jobs losses will continue and increase as that is part of the Obama plan to destroy this Nation. And the Liberals will continue to defend what ever he does or says because the ability to think for them selves is a foreign concept. When the effects of their Savior in Chief have destroyed what is left of the economy maybe they'll face the truth that is all around they but they don't see it through glazed over eyes.
Look at the Careless Health plan and how it's going to leave out 10 million people and work to further the cause of wrecking the economy and what's worse is if you don't sign up this worthlees idea will fine you more of what you already don't have. That being $1000 fine. And why are the Congress. Senate and others left out to have real health care that won't let the Government decide if you get to live or face forced euthanasia.
The Angel of Death in Chief Obama is the most dangerous person this Nation has seen in over 60 years and that last guy never claimed to be an American.
 
TheNextEra said:
you seem to see the liberals as the devils.
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akyron said:
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Yet another example of partisan hackery. The conservative mindset is to keep everything the same. Liberals are for change.

You need to have both in a working society.

Liberal mindset said women are more than just baby making machines. Liberal mindset said that blacks are not just stupid people meant for manual labor. Liberal mindset said that color doesn't matter. Liberal mindset said that blacks and whites should be able to marry. Liberal mindset said that children should not be used as labor.

Notice I said LIBERAL mindset, not Republican Mindset, not Dem mindset, but LIBERAL. These were ALL liberal views.
 
TheNextEra said:
Actually I did, until I read some of your anti-liberal posts. They ARE partisan. The liberal mindset is not the destroyer of worlds.

I personally think there should be a balance of conservative values and libera ones, but when you take a look at your posts, you seem to see the liberals as the devils.
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So what? I do believe that liberal thinking is destroying America. That is my opinion, and it is just as valid as yours. Making the point that I have a partisan point of view is no point at all. In fact, I'm not really sure how accurate it is, since there isn't a party that has represented conservatives in quite a while. If you ever care to debate anything, though, I would be more than happy to engage.
 
G.I. Joe said:
So what? I do believe that liberal thinking is destroying America. That is my opinion, and it is just as valid as yours. Making the point that I have a partisan point of view is no point at all. In fact, I'm not really sure how accurate it is, since there isn't a party that has represented conservatives in quite a while. If you ever care to debate anything, though, I would be more than happy to engage.
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And you are called partisan because of it. I've shown you the examples of the LIBERAL mindset in previous posts (recently look back a couple of posts) and it isn't the devil.

Now you see why you are partisan.
 
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you seem to see the liberals as the devils.
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I see Liberalism as destructive to the American way. Tell how America has benefitted from Liberalism. Entitlements don't count.
 
apdst said:
I see Liberalism as destructive to the American way. Tell how America has benefitted from Liberalism. Entitlements don't count.
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Read back a couple of posts, and you will see, I provided SOLID examples of LIBERAL mindset. Not Dem mindset or Republican Mindset but LIBERAL MINDSET.
 
TheNextEra said:
Read back a couple of posts, and you will see, I provided SOLID examples of LIBERAL mindset. Not Dem mindset or Republican Mindset but LIBERAL MINDSET.
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Ok, did it. Didn't see any of your examples. Care to point some out to us?
 
apdst said:
Ok, did it. Didn't see any of your examples. Care to point some out to us?
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LIBERAL mindset was that Blacks should not be used as slaves. LIBERAL mindset was the children should not be used as factory labor. LIBERAL mindset was that factories shouldn't be unsafe for their workers. LIBERAL mindset was the people shouldn't work for slave wages.

This is UNCONTESTED. The conservative view is to keep things the same and not change.
 
TheNextEra said:
LIBERAL mindset was that Blacks should not be used as slaves. LIBERAL mindset was the children should not be used as factory labor. LIBERAL mindset was that factories shouldn't be unsafe for their workers. LIBERAL mindset was the people shouldn't work for slave wages.

This is UNCONTESTED. The conservative view is to keep things the same and not change.
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That's it? That's your proof? You're kiddin'. Right? So, what you're saying, ist that beyond that, Liberalism hasn't done jack **** for the country? How old are you?
 
TheNextEra said:
LIBERAL mindset was that Blacks should not be used as slaves. LIBERAL mindset was the children should not be used as factory labor. LIBERAL mindset was that factories shouldn't be unsafe for their workers. LIBERAL mindset was the people shouldn't work for slave wages.

This is UNCONTESTED. The conservative view is to keep things the same and not change.
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Uh, it is contested because you're basically attributing a lot of things to liberalism that really didn't have anything to do with liberalism.

In fact, did you know that Thomas Jefferson, a raging liberal of his day, was a slave owner?

Did you know it was the Republican Party that waged the war of aggression against the South?

Working conditions have nothing to do with liberal vs. conservative, left vs. right, nothing to do with it. It DOES have a lot to do with PEOPLE recognizing a **** situation in their lives, seeing that there is room for positive change, and then doing things to move towards it. That is completely unconnected with politics, but political factions were able to sense the change in the wind for those issues and grabbed on to it to gain votes. If you make the mistake that a political ideology is always correct, you're going to end up being led down the path of believing things that aren't true. You need to see the truth unconnected with political factions, otherwise you're going to end up being manipulated at some later point.
 
Liz Peeps said:
Uh, it is contested because you're basically attributing a lot of things to liberalism that really didn't have anything to do with liberalism.

In fact, did you know that Thomas Jefferson, a raging liberal of his day, was a slave owner?

Did you know it was the Republican Party that waged the war of aggression against the South?

Working conditions have nothing to do with liberal vs. conservative, left vs. right, nothing to do with it. It DOES have a lot to do with PEOPLE recognizing a **** situation in their lives, seeing that there is room for positive change, and then doing things to move towards it. That is completely unconnected with politics, but political factions were able to sense the change in the wind for those issues and grabbed on to it to gain votes. If you make the mistake that a political ideology is always correct, you're going to end up being led down the path of believing things that aren't true. You need to see the truth unconnected with political factions, otherwise you're going to end up being manipulated at some later point.
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In all fairness, Republicans were the Lefties of the 19th Century.

Aside from that, though, you're right.
 
apdst said:
In all fairness, Republicans were the Lefties of the 19th Century.

Aside from that, though, you're right.
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Well it just goes to show you how easily things can be manipulated. Guys like Jefferson are now called "classic liberals" and the reason they're called classic is because what liberalism is today isn't what it used to be. So to say liberalism is responsible for everything good in the world is so plainly blind ideology speaking. Jefferson is going to end up being marginalized by the liberals, because as "liberalism" is stretched so further out than what is used to be, it's becoming something separate entirely, eventually Jefferson is going to be written in the history books as somewhat a rather fringe character in the creation of the USA, simply because the politics of the future will be so disconnected from what this country was supposed to be founded on. This country was founded mostly by rebels seeking relief from tyrannical government. And as government get bigger, there will be less emphasis on how important rebellion is to freedom.
 
Liz Peeps said:
In fact, did you know that Thomas Jefferson, a raging liberal of his day, was a slave owner?
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His ideas were still LIBERAL. Proving that liberal ideas are not the devil just because they are liberal.

Liz Peeps said:
Did you know it was the Republican Party that waged the war of aggression against the South?
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A LIBERAL mindset, remember, I didn't attribute liberal to Republican or Dem.

Liz Peeps said:
Working conditions have nothing to do with liberal vs. conservative, left vs. right, nothing to do with it. It DOES have a lot to do with PEOPLE recognizing a **** situation in their lives, seeing that there is room for positive change, and then doing things to move towards it. That is completely unconnected with politics, but political factions were able to sense the change in the wind for those issues and grabbed on to it to gain votes. If you make the mistake that a political ideology is always correct, you're going to end up being led down the path of believing things that aren't true. You need to see the truth unconnected with political factions, otherwise you're going to end up being manipulated at some later point.
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WRONG, the CONSERVATIVE view at the time (We are leaving Republican and Dem out of it) was to keep it the SAME.

LIBERAL views are what CHANGED it.

Now that is not to say EVERYTHING liberal is good. For example if someone said we should make women slaves, that would be a LIBERAL view today.

Bottom line is that not everything liberal is the devil and not everything conservative is the devil. This is fact.
 
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TheNextEra said:
His ideas were still LIBERAL. Proving that liberal ideas are not the devil just because they are liberal.



A LIBERAL mindset, remember, I didn't attribute liberal to Republican or Dem.



WRONG, the CONSERVATIVE view at the time (We are leaving Republican and Dem out of it) was to keep it the SAME.

LIBERAL views are what CHANGED it.

Now that is not to say EVERYTHING liberal is good. For example if someone said we should make women slaves, that would be a LIBERAL view today.

Bottom line is that not everything liberal is the devil. This is fact.
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Again, you're focusing so much on a single word than you are the actual ideas. See, right now you're engaged with me in this Liberal (Dem) vs. (Con) Repub battle, and it's really futile because I'm not talking to you from a conservative or Republican standpoint. I'm laying down my ideology to tell you that you're getting too wrapped up on argumentative, devisive, belligerent frame of mind.

How in the world do you think enslaving Women would be a liberal idea? Do you think liberal is synonymous with "new" or "provocative" or something? Because it really isn't, and to even get a good idea of what you're talking about, you'd really have to look back at history to see how these political ideologies you think you know the first thing about, you need to look back and see how they developed over the decades and centuries.

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Bottom line is that not everything liberal is the devil and not everything conservative is the devil. This is fact.
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I like how you throw this in there at your tiny little concession to pragmatism, meanwhile you have ENTIRELY missed the ****ing point. But, no, don't let missing the entire ****ing point stop you from trying to reach out with the pragmatist angle. Seriously, it's like you eat breathe and sleep politics, no time for discussion, no time for reading, just time for manipulation of words in a futile attempt to appear like a "winner". You're a politician, through and through.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Now that is not to say EVERYTHING liberal is good. For example if someone said we should make women slaves, that would be a LIBERAL view today.
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What a joke. If some guy came out tomorrow and declared that all women should be our slaves, you know good and damn well he would be called a right-wing nutjob from the get-go, the reason being that liberals are the ones who are supposedly for the advancement of women and womens' rights.
 
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G.I. Joe said:
What a joke. If some guy came out tomorrow and declared that all women should be our slaves, you know good and damn well he would be called a right-wing nutjob from the get-go.
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He doesn't understand politics or political ideologies, that's why he's talking like that.
 
Liz Peeps said:
Again, you're focusing so much on a single word than you are the actual ideas. See, right now you're engaged with me in this Liberal (Dem) vs. (Con) Repub battle, and it's really futile because I'm not talking to you from a conservative or Republican standpoint. I'm laying down my ideology to tell you that you're getting too wrapped up on argumentative, devisive, belligerent frame of mind.
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Uh you are the one that mentioned Dem/Rep not me.


Liz Peeps said:
How in the world do you think enslaving Women would be a liberal idea?
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Because it is changing from the norm a (considered maybe by some progressive). Liberal aka progressive.

Liz Peeps said:
Do you think liberal is synonymous with "new" or "provocative" or something? Because it really isn't, and to even get a good idea of what you're talking about, you'd really have to look back at history to see how these political ideologies you think you know the first thing about, you need to look back and see how they developed over the decades and centuries.

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It actually is Liberal is known as progressive.

That can be a good or bad thing in situations. Conservative is keeping things the same. You cannot have a PURE conservative or PURE liberal society. It takes a balance which is my point.

Are you trying to say that a PURE conservative or PURE liberal society can exist?



I like how you throw this in there at your tiny little concession to pragmatism, meanwhile you have ENTIRELY missed the ****ing point. But, no, don't let missing the entire ****ing point stop you from trying to reach out with the pragmatist angle. Seriously, it's like you eat breathe and sleep politics, no time for discussion, no time for reading, just time for manipulation of words in a futile attempt to appear like a "winner". You're a politician, through and through.[/QUOTE]
 
G.I. Joe said:
What a joke. If some guy came out tomorrow and declared that all women should be our slaves, you know good and damn well he would be called a right-wing nutjob from the get-go, the reason being that liberals are the ones who are supposedly for the advancement of women and womens' rights.
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Maybe he would by some, but by DEFINITION, he would be liberal. A liberal is considered to be a progressive. Is ALL progressive good?

Is progressive towards fascism good? Is progressive towards slavery good?

That doesn't mean all liberalism is bad, but it doesn't mean all liberalism is good.
 
TheNextEra said:
Uh you are the one that mentioned Dem/Rep not me.




Because it is changing from the norm a (considered maybe by some progressive). Liberal aka progressive.



It actually is Liberal is known as progressive.

That can be a good or bad thing in situations. Conservative is keeping things the same. You cannot have a PURE conservative or PURE liberal society. It takes a balance which is my point.

Are you trying to say that a PURE conservative or PURE liberal society can exist?



I like how you throw this in there at your tiny little concession to pragmatism, meanwhile you have ENTIRELY missed the ****ing point. But, no, don't let missing the entire ****ing point stop you from trying to reach out with the pragmatist angle. Seriously, it's like you eat breathe and sleep politics, no time for discussion, no time for reading, just time for manipulation of words in a futile attempt to appear like a "winner". You're a politician, through and through.
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Youre not even making sense. You say that because an idea breaks from the norm makes it inherently liberal. So if I want Obama to do a 180 on his stances then I am now liberal?

Also, your analogy of womens' rights is fundamentally flawed. How can you call the enslavement of women a "progressive" idea merely because it is different? You realize that there was a point in history in this country and others when women yielded virtually no power, right? In fact, there are places in the world today when this is still true. So how is reverting to an idea of the past "progressive"?
 
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