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    Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm from human stem cells | Mail Online

    In a world first, British scientists have grown human sperm in the laboratory.

    The breakthrough in stem cell science offers a potential cure for male infertility and could be used in IVF clinics in as little as five years.

    It would allow thousands of men to father children that are genetically their own, possibly from just a sliver of their skin.

    But the cutting-edge work is fraught with medical and ethical problems.
    MICHAEL HANLON: Are we on the brink of a society without any need for men? | Mail Online

    For the first time, the possibility of 'parthenogenesis' - or 'virgin reproduction' - has come within scientific reach.

    Put at its crudest, we now face the possibility of a world where women do not need men to make babies - with all of the immense moral, ethical and philosophical questions that raises.
    Good news or bad?
    Are we going too far across that line?
    As the law stands right now, creating any form of life or fertility treatment through cloning or atificial sperm is illegal and will stay that way, it will need a primary legislation to change it but seeing women can have IVF. Shouldn't men also be able to eventually get access to the same treatment? Infertility of men has been slowly increasing.

    I think the law should be amended if needed for the scientists to research and more power given to the independent body to regulate and enforce the rules.
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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm from human ste

    Well Feminists and Lesbians will be thrilled I suppose.


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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm from human ste

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Well Feminists and Lesbians will be thrilled I suppose.
    I can't speak for them.
    But those against this have been out in force on BBC and SKY saying we are going down a no go zone and playing God


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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm from human ste

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I can't speak for them.
    But those against this have been out in force on BBC and SKY saying we are going down a no go zone and playing God
    Well this could also lead to the extinction of man, or at least the enslavement of man.

    *Starts to pack bags*

    Been a nice ride while it lasted.


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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm from human ste

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Well this could also lead to the extinction of man, or at least the enslavement of man.

    *Starts to pack bags*

    Been a nice ride while it lasted.
    Relax, men will always be needed
    Men will not go extinct calm down and i doubt there will ever be a society where men do not play a key role in it


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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    I can see how this would look diffferent to somebody who sees a fertilized egg as a human being.

    In my system of ethics, it's more a matter of them not letting an embryo created with this artificial sperm get into the realm of consciousness unless they are sure the risk of genetic defects is not significantly higher than natural reproduction. I am sure they could do both of those things eventually, but not yet. The other ethical concerns were pretty much invalid, IMO.

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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    As a scientist I am thrilled about these breakthroughs. As a person, I am worried how far we as humans are willing to go in the name of science. Such knowledge requires giant responsibility. Can we prevent tyrants from cloning themselves or governments from growing "super-soldiers." What about the effects from such work on people's psyche? There are numerous ethical questions to this work. However, if it is maintained and used for medical good, then science has performed it's job. We are racing forward at the speed of light in our gaining of scientific knowledge, I only hope we do not crash and fragment into nothingness.

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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    As a scientist I am thrilled about these breakthroughs.
    What kind of scientist?

    As a person, I am worried how far we as humans are willing to go in the name of science. Such knowledge requires giant responsibility.
    How far is too far?

    Can we prevent tyrants from cloning themselves or governments from growing "super-soldiers."
    No not really. The only point of a tyrant cloning himself would be either to have a "son," or to have a source of organs. On the source of organs part, it would probably be just as viable, and obviously more ethical, just to make autograft organs.

    I don't get people who question whether clones would be given rights or not. People aren't given rights based upon having unique DNA that they own, but rather by the fact that they are beings. A more serious question is whether unforseen defects will be present.

    And I'd be less concerned about supersoldiers than nukes, quite frankly.
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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

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    What kind of scientist?
    A microbiologist. I work as a peptide chemist currently.


    How far is too far?
    Where you begin to devalue life based on furthering technology.



    No not really. The only point of a tyrant cloning himself would be either to have a "son," or to have a source of organs. On the source of organs part, it would probably be just as viable, and obviously more ethical, just to make autograft organs.
    This would not work either really, as the clone would have the same genetic predisposition to disease as the clonee.

    EDIT: Also, due to the shortening of the poly-A tail of the m-RNA, the clones age very rapidly, thus the organs would reach failure point quickly.

    I don't get people who question whether clones would be given rights or not. People aren't given rights based upon having unique DNA that they own, but rather by the fact that they are beings. A more serious question is whether unforseen defects will be present.
    Most likely defects would occur. Usually in the transcription phase of the DNA. Of course gene splicing and using recombinant DNA techniques could resolve these issues.

    The super-soldier part would be a misinvestment, unless there were otherwise equal technology involved and that parity could not be overcome in an easier way (unlikely), of which nobody is even close to America. Though it would be no more unethical than enslaving young childern to fight genocidal wars in Africa, so it wouldn't make a big difference in how terrible the world is.
    This idea can be debunked also, all that would be required would be to use a biological weapon or someother disease that the soldier would be vulnerable to. As the weakness of one is the same for all.
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