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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    The fun is that now we can stop pacifying and babying you men and just keep you as slaves as it should have been from the beginning.
    WooHoo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    Huh? Why does he need to be raised by his mother? Do children raised by single-fathers spontaneously combust? (:

    If both parents work equally, they should be trying to share home responsibilities equally, or else it's not fair.
    I'm not so sure the father can breed the child, he has a lack of milk in his boobs.
    A mother's love is also needed more than a father's love, however unfortunate that it is.
    The father is the source to pride and values, while the mother is the one who raises you and takes care of you.
    That's just how it works, it's something biological I think.
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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm from human ste

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    If my Mom could hold down a job and having 7 children.

    I can handle ANY career and a family.
    What did she do(work), and how did she manage to take care of all 7 children while working?
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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm from human ste

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I'm not so sure the father can breed the child, he has a lack of milk in his boobs.
    A mother's love is also needed more than a father's love, however unfortunate that it is.
    The father is the source to pride and values, while the mother is the one who raises you and takes care of you.
    That's just how it works, it's something biological I think.
    Well you're talking about a very specific and somewhat short timeframe, and incidentally in other countries they have leave for that. Not all women can or do breastfeed anyway, but there is evidence that it is healthier.

    I don't know what you mean by a mother's love is more or less needed. Do you have a study that shows children of single mothers do better than those of single fathers. IIRC, income has more to do with well-being than the parents' gender, though the studies I saw a long time ago were looking at income versus single parent status.

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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by Intransigent Atheist View Post
    WooHoo!
    a liberal would like that wouldn't he

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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm from human ste

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    What did she do(work), and how did she manage to take care of all 7 children while working?
    She was/is a Nurse
    And i have no idea, i do remember helping out when i was in my teens and looking after the kids but before that


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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    To a certain extent you may be right on the perpetuation of lesser genetic quality. However, there are many external factors that can lead to sterility. Whether it be exposer to a substance, violent injury, or other environmental factors, people can have strong genetic make-up, yet still have fertility problems. In that regard, IVT needs to remain a viable option.
    I can understand that, you'd have no problem from me if someone had a viable reproductive system that had been compromised by some sort of injury.

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Another thought would be that as society advances, it may not necessarily be the genetically blessed in physical strength that have the upperhand, but rather the mentally capable. Intelligence may very well be valued over the physically strong, and there is no reason to think that in the future natural selection may not change it's means.
    We should make sure to maintain a balance of at least push our species to have superior mental and physical attributes

    If they could at least solve the underlying problem (a person being naturally infertile) then I wouldn't argue about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Where will get the workers and such. Can't all of us be chiefs.
    Automation will drastically reduce the need for all those indians.
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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    People having greater access to preventive care, as facilitated to a limited degree by medicaid, is more a matter of saving society money in the long run. Government health insurance will continue to play that role until we are willing to let poor/old/unlucky/irresponsible people die in the ER. Having a healthier populace is also helpful for productivity.
    I've seen some of the cancer death rates problem the U.K. and they are worse than ours even though they have UHC.

    I don't think that free programs offer any real incentive for preventative care.

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    I do see the way society allows more ignorant and unintelligent people to reproduce more, but to me that just indicates that democratic processes should not be relied upon to determine policy. Hence me making references to technocracy, but it would have to be based upon a better constitution than we currently have, and perhaps more technology that would enable us to more objectively assess intelligence and empathy in potential leaders.
    I have to agree with you in a lot of ways here.

    I don't believe the democratic process is a viable way to choose leadership in any country. It's, in my mind, a horrible way to choose.
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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    It only marks you as an elitist if you attempt to establish a connection between their poverty and other undesirable traits-- essentially, if you are claiming that the rich are rich and the poor are poor because they deserve to be so.
    I certainly don't believe anyone deserves anything unless their choices lead them to the consequences.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    The largest portion of every human society has been ignorant and unintelligent. The only thing to change in recent years has been their increasing power to affect meaningful changes in their government-- a change brought about less by the endless expansion of franchise than by the use of information technology and political lobbying groups to give morons a greater voice in the political system.
    I can't agree more, I dislike this part of our country very much.
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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    UK has a situation where the North of England (Where Thatchers hand of death came into play) are more dependent on the state than communist cuba

    We have a underclass that are actually living on benefits, actually living on it as if it a lifestyle!! And the more children they have, the more benefits.

    And it now becoming a choice for teenagers who have no aspirations.
    Have a child and the state will give you a flat and money
    Do they really just give you a place to live?

    It's a sad state of affairs, that someone would aspire to be permanently dependent on the state.
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